Notes and Queries, Number 199, August 20, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Geneologists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 199, August 20, 1853: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Geneologists, etc.
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Questions and answers -- Periodicals
_Lady Percy, Wife of Hotspur (Daughter of Edmumd Mortimer, Earl of
March)_ (Vol. viii., p. 104.).--On reference to the volume and page
of Miss Strickland's _Lives of the Queens of England_, cited by your
correspondent G., I find that not only does this lady, by her sweeping
assertion, bastardise the second E. of Northumberland, but, in her
zeal to outsay all that "ancient heralds" ever can have said, she
annihilates, or at least reduces to a myth, the mother of Thomas, eighth
Lord Clifford. This infelicitous statement may have been corrected in
the second edition of the _Lives_, for in "N. & Q.," Vol. vii., p. 42.,
there is a detailed pedigree tracing the descent of Jane Seymour through
Margaret Wentworth, her mother, by an intermarriage with a Wentworth,
and a _granddaughter_ of Hotspur, Lord Percy, (not _daughter_, as Miss
Strickland writes) from the blood-royal of England. My object, however,
in writing this is not farther to point attention to Miss Strickland's
mistake, but to invite discussion to the point where this pedigree may
be possibly faulty. I will not say "all ancient heralds," but some
heralds, at least, of acknowledged reputation, viz. Nicolas, Collins,
and Dugdale[6], have stated that the wife of Sir Philip Wentworth was
a daughter of Roger fifth Lord Clifford. If this be so, in truth there
is an end at once of the Seymour's claim to royal lineage; for it is an
undoubted fact that it was the grandson of Roger fifth Lord, namely,
John, seventh Lord Clifford, K.G., who married Hotspur's only daughter.
C. V.
[Footnote 6: Nicolas, _Scrope and Grosvenor Roll_, ii. 471.;
Collins, _Peerage_, 5th ed., vi. 358.; Dugdale, _Baronage_, i.
341.]
"_Up, guards, and at them!_" (Vol. v., p. 426.; Vol. viii., p.
111.).--Some years ago, about the time that the Wellington statue on the
arch at Hyde Park Corner was erected, I was dining at a table where Wyatt
the artist was present. The conversation turned much upon the statue, and
the exact period at which the great Duke is represented. Wyatt said that
he was represented at that moment when he is supposed to have used the
words: "Up, guards, and at them!" It having been questioned whether he
ever uttered the words, I asked the artist whether, when he was taking
the Duke's portrait, the Duke himself acknowledged using them? To which
he replied, that the Duke said that he did not recollect having uttered
those words and, in fact, that he could not say what expression he did
use on that occasion. The company at dinner seemed much satisfied with
Wyatt's authority on this point.
J. D. GARDNER.
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