Notes and Queries, Number 228, March 11, 1854: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 228, March 11, 1854: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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Your correspondent HONORÉ DE MAREVILLE has wandered too far in going to the
Morea to search for this title. Clare in Suffolk was one of the ninety-five
manors in that county bestowed by the Conqueror upon Richard Fitzgilbert,
who (as well as his successor Gilbert) resided at Tunbridge, and bore the
surname of De Tonebruge. His grandson Richard, the first Earl of Hertford,
fixed his principal seat at Clare, and thenceforth the family took the
surname of De Clare; and in the Latin documents of the time the several
members of it were styled _Ricardus_ (or _Gilbertus_), _Dominus Clarensis_,
_Comes Hertfordiensis_. The name of the lordship thus becoming the family
surname, it is easy to see how in common usage the formal epithet
_Clarensis_ soon became Clarence, and why Lionel, the son of Edward III.,
upon his marriage with Elizabeth de Burgh, the grand-niece and heiress of
the last Gilbertus Clarensis, should choose as the title for his dukedom
the surname of the great family of which he had now become the
representative.
VOKAROS.
* * * * *
MILTON'S WIDOW.
(Vol. viii., pp. 12. 134. 200. 375. 452. 471. 544. 594.)
GARLICHITHE is again on the wrong scent. In his first communication on this
subject, he allowed himself to go astray by mistaking Randle Minshull the
_grandfather_ for Randle Minshull the _son_; and now, with the like
fatality, he fails to discriminate between Richard Minshull the _uncle_,
and Richard Minshull the _brother_, of Elizabeth Milton. A second
examination of my Reply in Vol. viii., p. 200., will suffice to show him
that Richard Minshull, the party to the deed there quoted, was named by me
as the _brother_, and not the _uncle_, of Milton's widow, and that
therefore his argument, based on disparity of age, &c., falls to the
ground. On the other hand, Richard Minshull of Chester, to whom the letter
alluded to was addressed, was the brother of Randle Minshull of Wistaston,
and by the same token, uncle of Elizabeth Milton, and of Richard Minshull,
her brother and co-partner in the deed already referred to.
GARLICHITHE, and all others who have taken an interest in this discussion,
will now, I trust, see clearly that there has been nothing adduced by
either MR. MARSH or myself inconsistent with ages or dates; but that, on
the contrary, all our premises and conclusions are borne out by evidence
clear, irreproachable, and incontestable.
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