Notes and Queries, Number 228, March 11, 1854: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.Various
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Notes and Queries, Number 228, March 11, 1854: A Medium of Inter-communication for Literary Men, Artists, Antiquaries, Genealogists, etc.
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All objections being now, as I conceive, fully combated and disposed of,
the substance of our investigations may be summed up in a very few words.
The statement of Pennant, adopted by all succeeding writers, to the effect
that Elizabeth, the widow of John Milton, was a daughter of Sir Edward
Minshull of Stoke, is clearly proved to be a fiction. It has been farther
proved, from the parish registers, as well as from bonds and other
documentary evidence, that she was, without doubt, the daughter of Randle
Minshull of Wistaston, a village about three miles from Nantwich; that she
was the cousin of Milton's familiar friend, Dr. Paget, and as such became
entitled to a legacy under the learned Doctor's will, and that she is
expressly named by Richard Minshull as his sister in the deed before
quoted.
T. HUGHES.
Chester.
* * * * *
THREE FLEURS-DE-LYS.
(Vol. ix., pp. 35. 113.)
DEVONIENSIS is informed that an example of this occurs in the arms of King
James's School, Almondbury, Yorkshire. The impression, as taken from the
great seal of the school, in which however the colours are not
distinguished, may be imperfectly described as follows: Three lions (two
over one) passant gardant ----, on a chief ----, three fleurs-de-lys ----.
As it is not unlikely that some other of King James's foundations may have
the same arms, it would be considered a favour if any reader of "N. & Q."
possessing the information would communicate the proper colours in this
case, or even the probable ones.
CAMELODUNENSIS.
DEVONIENSIS is quite right in supposing that the bearing of three
fleurs-de-lys alone, horizontal, in the upper part of the shield,--in other
words, {226} in chief, fess-ways,--is a very rare occurrence. I know of no
instance of it in English blazon. Coupled with another and principal
charge, as a fess, a chevron, a lion, &c.; or in a chief, it is common
enough. Nor have I ever met with an example of it in French coat-armour. An
English family, named Rothfeld, but apparently of German extraction, gives:
Gules, two fleurs-de-lys, in chief, ermine. Du Guesclin bore nothing like a
fleur-de-lys in any way. The armorial bearings of the famous Constable
were: Argent, a double-headed eagle, displayed, sable, crowned, or,
debruised of a bend, gules.
JOHN O' THE FORD.
Malta.
P.S.--Since writing the above, I have read three replies (Vol. ix., p.
84.), which do not appear to me to exactly meet the Query of DEVONIENSIS.
I understand the question to be, does any English family bear simply three
fleurs-de-lys, in chief, fess-ways--without any additional charge? And in
that sense my reply above is framed.
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