A. I cannot say. Afterwards I went to the west end of the yard with another engine. I had the dispatcher at the west end to get sixteen cars on another track, and I went there with another engine at about the time the Atlantic express should leave the depot. We got that train out, and that was the last. Q. What time did that train go out? A. It left Seventeenth street about one-five. I got to Twenty-eighth street before I ought to. The engineers left their engines there at Twenty-sixth street after we had got the trains ready to go. The mob got in front, and the first engineer blew down brakes, and got off. Then the second engineer did the same. The assistant engineer came to me and asked what he was going to do. I said I didn't know. He said he would run that engine if anybody else would. The road foreman came up, and I told him what Mr. Phillips had said, and he got on one engine and Phillips got on another. Then some person hallooed: "If you move that engine we will blow your brains out." Then they did not start. They all went out. There were about sixteen policemen there, but they could not apparently do anything with them. Q. How many men got in front? A. Suppose forty or fifty. Q. Were they all railroad employés? A. I don't think they were. Q. Who composed the balance of the crowd? A. I am not able to say. Q. What time was that? A. I can't say that positively, either. Q. As near as you can tell? A. Somewhere about twelve o'clock. Q. Thursday? A. Yes. Q. You say that some policemen came up there? A. About sixteen. Q. Who was at the head of the police? A. I can't say who. Q. Just explain what effort they made to disperse the mob? A. We got the train ready to start, and five or six of them got on one engine and the same on the other, and the balance of them got on the train. At Twenty-eighth street they arrested McCullough. Q. Who made the arrest? A. Four or five of them had hold of him. Q. Policemen? A. Yes. By Senator Torbert: Q. He was the person that struck Mr. Watt? A. I suppose so. By Mr. Lindsey: Q. Was not any attack made on the crowd by the policemen? A. They tried to get them away. Q. How? With their clubs? A. No. By pushing them with their hands, I suppose. Q. What was done next? A. The balance of the day the men could not do anything. The crowd appeared to increase all the time. Q. Did you have any conversation with those men that refused to go at first to ascertain their reasons for their refusal? A. I asked what their reason was for not going, and they allowed that they would not run on double-headers. Q. All gave that as their reason? A. Yes. Q. Had you any knowledge before Thursday morning that such a refusal would be made? A. No; I didn't have the slightest idea until I went up that morning from the west end of the yard. Q. Did you talk with the men to find out whether there was any prearranged plan to strike that morning?