And Chrysippus, a man who was a genuine philosopher, and a thorough man at all points, says that he was the teacher of Epicurus, and of all those who follow his rules, in everything which belongs to pleasure, which is the ruin of everything. For Epicurus says, without any concealment, but speaking with a loud voice, as it were, "For I am not able to distinguish what is good if you once take away the pleasure arising from sweet flavours, and if you also take away amatory pleasures." For this wise man thinks that even the life of the intemperate man is an unimpeachable one, if he enjoys an immunity from fear, and also mirth. On which account also the comic poets, running down the Epicureans, attack them as mere servants and ministers of pleasure and intemperance. 9. Plato, in his Joint Deceiver, representing a father as indignant with his son's tutor, makes him say— _A._ You've taken this my son, and ruin'd him, You scoundrel; you've persuaded him to choose A mode of life quite foreign to his nature And disposition; taught by your example, He drinks i' the morning, which he ne'er was used to do. _B._ Do you blame me, master, that your son Has learnt to live? _A._ But do you call that living? _B._ Wise men do call it so. And Epicurus Tells us that pleasure is the only good. _A._ Indeed; I never heard that rule before. Does pleasure come then from no other source? Is not a virtuous life a pleasure now? Will you not grant me that?—Tell me, I pray you, Did you e'er see a grave philosopher Drunk, or devoted to these joys you speak of? _B._ Yes; all of them.—All those who raise their brows, Who walk about the streets for wise men seeking, As if they had escaped their eyes and hid: Still when a turbot once is set before them, Know how to help themselves the daintiest bits. They seek the head and most substantial parts, As if they were an argument dissecting, So that men marvel at their nicety. And in his play entitled the Homicide, the same Plato, laughing at one of those gentle philosophers, says— The man who has a chance to pay his court To a fair woman, and at eve to drink Two bottles full of richest Lesbian wine, Must be a wise man; these are real goods. These things I speak of are what Epicurus Tells us are real joys; and if the world All lived the happy life I live myself, There would not be one wicked man on earth. [Sidenote: EPICURES.] And Hegesippus, in his Philetairi, says—