[_GWEN pours out his tea and gives it to him; and pours out her own and, sitting, stirs it, reflectively. These two are very fond of one another, and at ease together; there is a quality of gentleness in their bearing to each other._ GWEN: ... It doesn’t frighten me ... really ... not if you stop to think ... you needn’t have a baby, need you? JOHN: Nearly everybody, in our class, limits their families. GWEN: If you make up your mind it’s not wrong to love without having children, it’s awfully _weak_ to change your mind just because someone else has one by mistake, isn’t it? JOHN: That’s true. GWEN: But, Jacko ... you know ... all the same ... the people who are against you would pick on Rosie; they’d say, there’s a girl with her life ruined, and her baby’s life ruined; and if you had your way, there’d be more and more like her.... JOHN: Fools!! GWEN: Yes, but what’s the answer, Jacko? [_She speaks, and listens, always, with a simple direct eagerness for understanding, and points of view._ JOHN: The answer! GWEN: Yes. JOHN: ... Well ... in the first place: there are plenty of Roses, now, aren’t there? GWEN: I suppose so. JOHN: Thousands. The streets are strewn with their petals; and the winds that strew them, blow out of unhappy homes. GWEN: Yes. JOHN: Out of unsuccessful marriages; and lonely separations. They can’t boast such a success with their Roses, as things _are_. GWEN: No. JOHN: And in the second place, if Rosie’d been _your_ daughter, or mine, she’d have had a different education about it all.... Wouldn’t she? GWEN: Yes. JOHN: What Rosie knows, she knows from cinemas, and giggling talks with other girls and occasional young men. Whatever “teaching” she’s had, has been just _Don’t_. GWEN: Yes. Just “Don’t. Don’t. Don’t; it’s wicked,” all the time. JOHN: Exactly; about its real possibilities, and its real dangers, she knew nothing; and along comes this man; and over she goes!... If she’d belonged to us, she’d have known what she was doing; either she wouldn’t have had an affair with this man at all--he’s apparently left her in the lurch--or, if it was a thing of real value in their lives, she wouldn’t have had a child; unless she wanted it; and was prepared to face up to the whole business. GWEN: Yes. JOHN: And in the third place, now that it _has_ happened, half her trouble is her _fear_; the disgrace of it. If instead of cursing her, and blaming her, and pushing her away, people would help her, it wouldn’t be so very terrible. GWEN: There’s her baby....