Yes. It has been there ever since I have run down there. I have been running about fourteen years on that run. I don't know how much longer it has been there. Mr. Sullivan: That is all. The people that have been injured we could not get. Mr. Dawes: We will admit people were injured. The engineer we shall call was injured more than anybody else. D. W. Rhodes, a witness called on behalf of the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad Company, being first duly sworn, was examined in chief by Mr. Dawes, and testified as follows: Q. What is your full name? A. D. W. Rhodes. What is your business? Superintendent of motive power on the C., B. & Q. road. Are the engineers responsible to you? Through my assistants they are directly responsible to me. But they are immediate employes of your department? They are immediate employes of my department. Of which you are the head? Yes, sir. Do you know Mr. Pearce? Yes, sir. What is his business now, and what was it on the 19th day of March? Mr. Pearce is assistant engineer of tests in our laboratory at Aurora. Is he an engineer in the employ of the Burlington road now? He is not a locomotive engineer. Was he ever, at any time, an engineer in the employ of the Burlington road? He was never examined as an engineer for the Burlington road. You say he was not? No, sir; he was not. Where was he sent? He was sent on this Clinton run, from Mendota to Clinton. Do you know about what time that run is made? No, I do not. Was anybody sent with him? He had a pilot; the roadmaster was his pilot. The roadmaster of that section or division? Yes, sir. I am not very clear about what Mr. Pearce's crew was. I had to take an engine out myself that morning, and I was not at Aurora. Mr. Sullivan: Do you know anything about it at all, except from hearsay? Do you know from your own knowledge who was on the train? A. From being present, no. Mr. Sullivan: This testimony on that subject should be stricken out. The witness: May I make one correction? I said I took an engine out myself that morning; I fired an engine out that morning. Cross-examination by Mr. Sullivan: Q. Did Mr. Pearce ever run a locomotive engine before? A. Mr. Pearce had handled a locomotive engine; yes, sir. The question was, did he ever run a locomotive engine before? Please answer that? I am not able to say whether he did or not. Are you in the habit, when exercising your best judgment to select engineers, to put a man on the road to run a locomotive engine when you don't know whether he has ever run one before or not? In a case like this, where our trains were---- In any case? We do so; I would do so again.