The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
Governour Livingston[35] from the Committee of Eleven to whom was
referred the propositions respecting the debts of the several States and
also the Militia entered on the 18^{th} inst: delivered the following
report:
[35] "Governor Livingston is confessedly a Man of the first rate
talents, but he appears to me rather to indulge a
sportiveness of wit, than a strength of thinking. He is
however equal to anything, from the extensiveness of his
education and genius. His writings teem with satyr and a
neatness of style. But he is no Orator, and seems little
acquainted with the guiles of policy. He is about 60 years
old, and remarkably healthy."--Pierce's Notes, _Am. Hist.
Rev._, iii., 327.
"The Legislature of the U. S. shall have power to fulfil the
engagements which have been entered into by Congress, and to
discharge as well the debts of the U. S. as the debts incurred
by the several States during the late war, for the common
defence and general welfare."
"To make laws for organizing arming and disciplining the
militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed
in the service of the U. S. reserving to the States
respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority
of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed
by the U. States."
M^r Gerry considered giving the power only, without adopting the
obligation, as destroying the security now enjoyed by the public
creditors of the U-- States. He enlarged on the merit of this class of
citizens, and the solemn faith which had been pledged under the existing
Confederation. If their situation should be changed as here proposed
great opposition would be excited ag^{st} the plan. He urged also that
as the States had made different degrees of exertion to sink their
respective debts, those who had done most would be alarmed, if they were
now to be saddled with a share of the debts of States which had done
least.
M^r Sherman. It means neither more nor less than the confederation as it
relates to this subject.
M^r Elseworth moved that the Report delivered in by Gov^r Livingston
should lie on the table.--Agreed to nem. con.
Art: VII. Sect. 3 resumed.--M^r Dickinson moved to postpone this in
order to reconsider Art: IV. Sect. 4. and to _limit_ the number of
representatives to be allowed to the large States. Unless this were done
the small States would be reduced to entire insignificancy, and
encouragement given to the importation of slaves.
M^r Sherman would agree to such a reconsideration, but did not see the
necessity of postponing the section before the House.--M^r Dickenson
withdrew his motion.
Art: VII. Sect 3. then agreed to 10 ays, Delaware alone being no.
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