The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Sherman moved to add to Sect 3. the following clause "And all
accounts of supplies furnished, services performed, and monies advanced
by the several States to the U. States, or by the U. S. to the several
States shall be adjusted by the same rule."
M^r Govern^r Morris 2^{ds} the motion.
M^r Ghorum, thought it wrong to insert this in the Constitution. The
Legislature will no doubt do what is right. The present Congress have
such a power and are now exercising it.
M^r Sherman unless some rule be expressly given none will exist under
the new system.
M^r Elseworth. Though The contracts of Congress will be binding, there
will be no rule for executing them on the States; and one ought to be
provided.
M^r Sherman withdrew his motion to make way for one of M^r Williamson to
add to Sect. 3. "By this rule the several quotas of the States shall be
determined in settling the expences of the late war."
M^r Carrol brought into view the difficulty that might arise on this
subject from the establishment of the Constitution as intended without
the _unanimous_ consent of the States.
M^r Williamson's motion was postponed nem. con.
Art: VI Sect. 12. which had been postponed of Aug: 15. was now called
for by Col. Mason, who wished to know how the proposed amendment as to
money bills would be decided, before he agreed to any further points.
M^r Gerry's motion of yesterday that previous to a census, direct
taxation be proportioned on the States according to the number of
Representatives, was taken up. He observed that the principal acts of
Government would probably take place within that period, and it was but
reasonable that the States should pay in proportion to their share in
them.
M^r Elseworth thought such a rule unjust. There was a great difference
between the number of Represent^s and the number of inhabitants as a
rule in this case. Even if the former were proportioned as nearly as
possible to the latter, it would be a very inaccurate rule. A State
might have one Representative only that had inhabitants enough for 1-1/2
or more, if fractions could be applied, &c.--. He proposed to amend the
motion by adding the words, "subject to a final liquidation by the
foregoing rule when a census shall have been taken."
M^r Madison. The last appointment of Cong^s on which the number of
Representatives was founded, was conjectural and meant only as a
temporary rule till a Census should be established.
M^r Read. The requisitions of Cong^s had been accommodated to the
impoverishment produced by the war; and to other local and temporary
circumstances.
M^r Williamson opposed M^r Gerry's motion.
M^r Langdon was not here when N. H. was allowed three members. If it was
more than her share; he did not wish for them.
M^r Butler contended warmly for M^r Gerry's motion as founded in reason
and equity.
M^r Elseworth's proviso to M^r Gerry's motion was agreed to nem. con.
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