The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
History
The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
Constitutional law -- United States; Constitutions -- United States; United States. Constitution
M^r Randolph said that there were features so odious in the constitution
as it now stands, that he doubted whether he should be able to agree to
it. A rejection of the motion would compleat the deformity of the
system. He took notice of the argument in favor of giving the power over
trade to a majority, drawn from the opportunity foreign powers would
have of obstructing retaliatory measures if two thirds were made
requisite. He did not think there was weight in that consideration. The
difference between a majority & two thirds did not afford room for such
an opportunity. Foreign influence would also be more likely to be
exerted on the President who could require three fourths by his
negative. He did not mean however to enter into the merits. What he had
in view was merely to pave the way for a declaration which he might be
hereafter obliged to make if an accumulation of obnoxious ingredients
should take place, that he could not give his assent to the plan.
M^r Gorham. If the Government is to be so fettered as to be unable to
relieve the Eastern States what motive can they have to join in it, and
thereby tie their own hands from measures which they could otherwise
take for themselves. The Eastern States were not led to strengthen the
Union by fear for their own safety. He deprecated the consequences of
disunion, but if it should take place it was the Southern part of the
Continent that had most reason to dread them. He urged the improbability
of a combination against the interest of the Southern States, the
different situations of the Northern & Middle States being a security
against it. It was moreover certain that foreign ships would never be
altogether excluded especially those of Nations in treaty with us.
On the question to postpone in order to take up M^r Pinkney's motion
N. H. no. Mass. no. C^t no. N. J. no. P^a no. Del. no.
M^d ay. V^a ay. N. C. ay. S. C. no. Geo. ay.
The Report of the Committee for striking out Sect. 6. requiring two
thirds of each House to pass a navigation act was then agreed to, nem:
con:
M^r Butler moved to insert after Art: XV. "If any person bound to
service or labor in any of the U. States shall escape into another
State, he or she shall not be discharged from such service or labor, in
consequence of any regulations subsisting in the State to which they
escape, but shall be delivered up to the person justly claiming their
service or labor," which was agreed to nem: con:
Art: XVII being taken up, M^r Gov^r Morris moved to strike out the two
last sentences, to wit "If the admission be consented to, the new States
shall be admitted on the same terms with the original States. But the
Legislature may make conditions with the new States, concerning the
public debt which shall be then subsisting."--He did not wish to bind
down the Legislature to admit Western States on the terms here stated.
Public-domain text, read in full here on John Shaqi.
Reviews
Reviews
No reviews yet
Be the first to share your thoughts on this work.
Elsewhere in the archive
Join the Discussion
Join the discussion
Sign in to leave a comment or review.
Sign InorCreate an account