The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
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M^r Baldwin thought the plan not so objectionable when well considered,
as at first view: The increasing intercourse among the people of the
States, would render important characters less & less unknown; and the
Senate would consequently be less & less likely to have the eventual
appointment thrown into their hands.
M^r Wilson. This subject has greatly divided the House, and will also
divide the people out of doors. It is in truth the most difficult of all
on which we have had to decide. He had never made up an opinion on it
entirely to his own satisfaction. He thought the plan on the whole a
valuable improvement on the former. It gets rid of one great evil, that
of cabal & corruption; & Continental Characters will multiply as we more
& more coalesce, so as to enable the electors in every part of the Union
to know & judge of them. It clears the way also for a discussion of the
question of re-eligibility on its own merits which the former mode of
election seemed to forbid. He thought it might be better however to
refer the eventual appointment to the Legislature than to the Senate,
and to confine it to a smaller number than five of the Candidates. The
eventual election by the Legislature w^d not open cabal anew, as it
would be restrained to certain designated objects of choice, and as
these must have had the previous sanction of a number of the States; and
if the election be made as it ought as soon as the votes of the Electors
are opened & it is known that no one has a majority of the whole there
can be little danger of corruption. Another reason for preferring the
Legislature to the Senate in this business was that the House of Rep^s
will be so often changed as to be free from the influence & faction to
which the permanence of the Senate may subject that branch.
M^r Randolph preferred the former mode of constituting the Executive,
but if the change was to be made, he wished to know why the eventual
election was referred to the _Senate_ and not to the _Legislature_? He
saw no necessity for this and many objections to it. He was apprehensive
also that the advantage of the eventual appointment would fall into the
hands of the States near the seat of Government.
M^r Gov^r Morris said the _Senate_ was preferred because fewer could
then say to the President, you owe your appointment to us. He thought
the President would not depend so much on the Senate for his
reappointment as on his general good conduct.
The further consideration of the Report was postponed that each member
might take a copy of the remainder of it.
The following motion was referred to the Committee of Eleven--to
wit,--"To prepare & report a plan for defraying the expences of the
Convention."
[51]M^r Pinkney moved a clause declaring "that each
House should be judge of the privilege of its own
members." M^r Gov^r Morris 2^{ded} the motion.
[51] This motion not contained in the printed Journal--Madison's
Note.
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