The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2 — John Shaqi
The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2Madison, James
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The Journal of the Debates in the Convention which Framed the Constitution of the United States, May-September 1787. Volume 2
Madison, James
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object, or different objects of the same kind, The Nat^l Executive would
be rendered subservient to them.--An appointment by the State
Executives, was liable among other objections to this insuperable one,
that being standing bodies, they could & would be courted, and intrigued
with by the Candidates, by their partizans, and by the Ministers of
foreign powers. The State Judiciary had not & he presumed w^d not be
proposed as a proper source of appointment. The option before us then
lay between an appointment by Electors chosen by the people--and an
immediate appointment by the people. He thought the former mode free
from many of the objections which had been urged ag^{st} it, and greatly
preferable to an appointment by the Nat^l Legislature. As the electors
would be chosen for the occasion, would meet at once, & proceed
immediately to an appointment, there would be very little opportunity
for cabal, or corruption. As a further precaution, it might be required
that they should meet at some place, distinct from the seat of Gov^t and
even that no person within a certain distance of the place at the time
sh^d be eligible. This Mode however had been rejected so recently & by
so great a majority that it probably would not be proposed anew. The
remaining mode was an election by the people or rather by the qualified
part of them, at large: With all its imperfections he liked this best.
He would not repeat either the general argum^{ts}. for or the objections
ag^{st} this mode. He would only take notice of two difficulties which
he admitted to have weight. The first arose from the disposition in the
people to prefer a Citizen of their own State, and the disadvantage this
w^d throw on the smaller States. Great as this objection might be he did
not think it equal to such as lay ag^{st} every other mode which had
been proposed. He thought too that some expedient might be hit upon that
would obviate it. The second difficulty arose from the disproportion of
qualified voters in the N. & S. States, and the disadvantages which this
mode would throw on the latter. The answer to this objection was 1. that
this disproportion would be continually decreasing under the influence
of the Republican laws introduced in the S. States, and the more rapid
increase of their population. 2. That local considerations must give way
to the general interest. As an individual from the S. States, he was
willing to make the sacrifice.
M^r Elseworth. The objection drawn from the different sizes of the
States, is unanswerable. The Citizens of the largest States would
invariably prefer the candidate within the State; and the largest States
w^d invariably have the man.
Question on M^r Elseworth's motion as above.
N. H. ay. Mass. no. C^t ay. N. J. no. P^a ay. Del. no. M^d ay.
V^a no. N. C. no. S. C. no. Geo. no.
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