"Yet you didn't run?"--"Well, I am an old man, and I don't care much." "What did you do next, after leaving the alley?"--"I went farther down in the alley. I was the last man to go down the alley. There was a projection in the alley and I took refuge behind that." "You were young enough then to want to live?"--"It wasn't that; I heard the police shooting. They were going back toward the Haymarket. I could tell that by the report of the shooting. Then I ran out on Desplaines street and dodged about till I got home." "Where did you dodge?"--"A good many places. The police were shooting all over. They were all excited. I saw them shooting as far up as Madison street. One policeman on Madison street I saw point his revolver at a crowd of people on the street and say: 'D--- you! you've got to die any way.' Then he fired his revolver at them." "You say you saw the bomb when it was about five feet in the air?"--"Yes." "Did you see the fuse?"--"Yes." "What kind of a bomb was it?"--"Round." "What happened after it exploded?"--"The demoralization was great." "Did you hear any groans?"--"No." "How long have you been a physician?"--"Forty years." "What school?"--"Eclectic." "Are you a graduate of any college?"--"Yes; Eclectic." "You say you are a Socialist, but not an Anarchist as it is commonly defined. Are you an Anarchist as you understand that term?"--"I am." "Do you believe in an oath?"--"I do." "Do you believe that an oath adds anything to the obligation to tell the truth?"--"No. All honest men should tell the truth." "That's all." L. M. Moses, a grocer, and Austin Mitchell, who lived with Moses, testified that they would not believe the witness Gilmer under oath. The defense then introduced August Krumm, of 1036 West Twentieth street, a woodworker, by whom they expected to entirely offset Gilmer's evidence. From his evidence it was made to appear that Gilmer mistook Krumm for Spies, and that instead of lighting a bomb Krumm was engaged in nothing more harmful than lighting a pipe of tobacco. Mr. Foster conducts the examination, and the witness says he was at the Haymarket meeting May 4, and saw Spies and Parsons there for the first time. "How did you come to go there?"--"I had business down town; heard of the meeting and went there with a friend, A. M. Albright." "Now, how close to the alley near Crane Brothers did you stand?"--"Very close. We stood there all the time from about 9.30 o'clock until the police arrived." "Did you stand there all the time?"--"No; we were gone for a minute or two." "Where did you go?"--"We went into the alley. I wanted to light my pipe. Albright came with me. He gave me a pipeful of tobacco and I went into the alley to light my pipe." "What did you go into the alley for?"--"There was a wind on the street, and we went into the alley so the match would not go out." "And Albright followed you?"--"Yes. He came to light his pipe." "Whose pipe was lighted first?"--"Mine."