JR: No. You couldn’t see nothing. You go up on top of the hill. It was a hill ... (referring to the pictures) you could see the stuff right here. DS: The object ... the craft ... what was left of it ... in these photos ... where was the object? JR: Along this right here ... It looked to be about half of around (?) because around the edges ... I had two great big pieces. That’s what they got when they stole the car ... you could take that stuff and wad it up and it would straighten itself out. I never seen anything like it. Looked like something between a plastic ... looked like carbon paper... DS: That was the color of it? JR: Yeah. Carbons. That was the color of it. Sure was ... between plastic and ... hell I don’t know ... let’s see how to describe. One piece we had you could take it and put it in any form you wanted and it would stay there ... you could bend it in any form and it would stay ... it wouldn’t straighten back out. DS: You picked those up from the ground? JR: Yeah. DS: You threw them in the jeep ... stuffed them in your clothes...? JR: Yeah and then we heard all of them coming... DS: How many vehicles ... how much commotion did you hear as they came in? JR: Oh my God it must have been ... it was two or three six by six army trucks, a wrecker and everything ... and leading the pack was a '47 Ford car with guys in it ... MPs and stuff in it ... we had the windshield down on the jeep and we stayed in the weeds and stuff ... and we came on back down to where we was camped at. DS: So you watched for a while? JR: Yeah. Sure did. DS: What was their... JR: They cleaned everything all up. I mean cleaned it. They raked the ground and everything. I mean they cleaned everything. DS: You didn’t stay there that long? JR: No, but they had a truck. I would say it was six or eight big trucks besides the pick up, weapons carriers and stuff like that. DS: What kind of guard did they have. Did they surround certain areas... JR: They had MPs all ... they got way out in the field. They had people all along this ridge ... they drove up in here. We was back over here. This grass here... DS: So if you were back here, could you see the activity down here? JR: You couldn’t see too much of what they ... you could tell ... As soon as they got there they began gathering the stuff up ... we were hidden in what you call buffalo grass... DS: Did you see any behavior around the bodies. JR: Huh-uh. DS: You couldn’t see down to that level? JR: Yeah. DS: Did you see any activity near the craft? JR: No. DS: The angle of the craft ... was it flat was tipped... JR: One part was kind of buried in the ground ... and part of it was sticking out of the ground ... about like that (DS: about a 30 degree angle?) Yeah ... and I’m sure that was bodies ... either bodies or dummies... DS: Why do you say “dummies?”