it was conjectured the cause of God, and which they heard afterwards was abused abroad; does not recollect all that passed; Mr. Church had not said anything to Mr. Patrick which Mr. Patrick related to witness; he said Mr. Church seemed very much confused; witness asked Mr. Patrick “what do you mean; why; if you know anything against the man, did you not charge him with it;” he said he did not know; he was not the person; he (Patrick) said, “I don’t know: I am not so proper a person as you,” or words to the same effect. Witness said to him, “What did he (meaning Church) say respecting the report respecting this transaction?” Witness said to Mr. Patrick, says he, “what did he say respecting the acknowledging the report”—that is, what did Mr. Church say to Mr. Patrick about acknowledging the report that had gone abroad respecting him. He said, “It was false.” Patrick said that the report was false. Witness never saw Church upon the subject. When Patrick made witness the answer, he understood that answer to be, that Patrick himself said the report was false. Witness then put other questions to Mr. Patrick. He said, says he, what answer did Mr. Church give respecting its having been reported that he was in liquor—that he made an excuse that he was in liquor? Mr. Patrick said it was false. He said there had been a great deal of exaggeration. Did not after this put any question to Mr. Patrick, whether he, Mr. Patrick, thought that Mr. Church was implicated in the transaction or not. Witness put these words to him—“Why,” says he, “you did nothing! Did Mr. Church acknowledge nothing to you?” “No, Sir,” says he, “he did not.” Then he said Mr. Church had not mentioned a word about it. Did not make any observation to him, or he to witness. Don’t recollect any thing in particular witness said, says he, “As you can bring nothing against him, let us pray for him, and if he had the least idea of such a thing; and as you say you cannot bring any thing home to him, and can’t prove any thing, that is all we can do. Let us pray that he may not be guilty of such sin.” _Lord Ellenborough_.—Did you say, pray for him, if he was under any such temptation?—Yes; pray for him, if he was under any such temptation. Mr. Patrick did not after that deliver any opinion to witness whether he thought Church was implicated in the transaction or not. Did not at any other time see him, and hear him say any thing about this transaction. Nothing more passed at this meeting than what witness has told. Witness afterwards recollected, and asked pardon: he met Patrick in June last, coming over Waterloo-bridge. Did not at first know him; and he spoke to witness, and he said, “My name is Patrick.” Witness said, “Mr. Patrick, why what are you doing with Mr. Church?” “Why,” says witness, “I hear you have brought something else against him: what is that?”