Trial of Pedro de Zulueta, jun., on a Charge of Slave Trading, under 5 Geo. IV, cap. 113, on Friday the 27th, Saturday the 28th, and Monday the 30th of October, 1843, at the Central Criminal Court, Old Bailey, London: A Full Report from the Short-hand Notes of W. B. Gurney, Esq.Zulueta, Pedro de
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Trial of Pedro de Zulueta, jun., on a Charge of Slave Trading, under 5 Geo. IV, cap. 113, on Friday the 27th, Saturday the 28th, and Monday the 30th of October, 1843, at the Central Criminal Court, Old Bailey, London: A Full Report from the Short-hand Notes of W. B. Gurney, Esq.
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5330. What would be the effect of putting all vessels on the same
footing, whether having slaves on board or being empty?--There would be
no difficulty.
5331. _Chairman._] Would it not be fairer to make the remuneration
independent of the casual circumstance of whether the vessel was full or
empty?--Yes; it would be taking away the advantage which the officers
now enjoy with full vessels, but I think it would be a fair thing.
5332. Mr. _Forster_.] Are officers entitled to the head-money on slaves
taken on shore?--No; the difficulty in that case is, that when taken on
shore they are British subjects, if they are taken in British territory,
and the British law will not acknowledge that they could be slaves. The
difficulty was found some time ago, when a naval officer went to Bulama
and captured several hundred slaves who were detained there by the
Portuguese; he proceeded in the Admiralty Court, but the judge said,
These men are not slaves, they are taken on British territory. The
British law will not allow that any person can be a slave on British
soil; so that the captor was deprived of his head-money.
5333. A considerable number was taken at the Gallinas by Captain
Denman?--Yes.
5334. Will Captain Denman be entitled to head-money upon those persons
so captured?--He has never received any thing for them, but I hope he
may; if there is any fund from which remuneration on the ordinary scale
can be granted, it would be desirable that such cases should be dealt
with in the same manner as they would be if brought under the terms of
the Act.
5335. Mr. _Evans_.] If the remuneration was on the tonnage of the
vessel, supposing it was on the same scale as it is now, would that be a
just way of taking it?--Yes; a remuneration on the tonnage, whether full
or empty, would be fair, but the scale should be very much raised; at
present it is miserably low.
5336. I am supposing that it was raised to the average of the present
remuneration for capturing full and empty vessels?--That would be an
improvement.
5337. Mr. _W. Patten_.] Is there not more difficulty in capturing a
vessel with slaves on board than in capturing an empty vessel?--There is
much less difficulty in capturing a vessel with slaves on board.
5338. Are not more exertions used when a vessel has slaves on
board?--They run away in both cases; but the vessel is impeded greatly
whilst she has her cargo of slaves on board, and there is more chance of
capture, and the chase is less likely to be long, than with an empty
vessel.
5339. _Chairman._] The security of condemnation is greater?--Yes.
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