Mr. DULLES. That is what I mean, yes. Mr. MARTIN. There were two couples, and the aunt in one couple and the uncle in the other couple. But she didn't refer to the opposite spouse as an aunt and uncle. Mr. REDLICH. Does the name Berlov refresh your recollection any? Mr. MARTIN. Berlov? Representative FORD. Did Marina ever indicate to you anything about her education, what school she attended? Mr. MARTIN. No, just the school of pharmacy, and she compared her grade school or our grade school, which is, I guess similar to our grade school in high school or junior high, anyway. Representative FORD. She only referred to the pharmacy training? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Representative FORD. As any special training she received? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Representative FORD. But she did discuss that with you? Mr. MARTIN. Not at length. Just stated the fact that she had finished pharmacy school. Representative FORD. But she didn't discuss any other training or schooling of a special nature. Mr. MARTIN. No. Representative FORD. Did she ever discuss any special training that Lee might have had while he was in Russia? Mr. MARTIN. No. Representative FORD. Did she ever discuss Lee's employment while he was in Russia? Mr. MARTIN. Only that he was unhappy where he was working. Representative FORD. Did she tell you where he worked, the kind of work he was doing? Mr. MARTIN. I don't know, I have an idea it was in a factory of some kind, whether she told me that or whether it was an assumption, I don't know. Mr. REDLICH. Did she ever discuss their apartment, their living quarters in Minsk? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, she said she had a one-room apartment, and had a balcony on it, and that as soon as the baby was born they were going to move to a larger one. I questioned her about that because I understand it is quite difficult to get more than a one-room apartment in Russia and she said, well, Lee was an American and he could get things the Russians couldn't get. Mr. REDLICH. Did Mrs. Oswald give you the impression that in general she and Lee Oswald had better treatment than other Russians? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, and actually her past life even before she met Lee seemed a little bit strange to me, going to the opera, taking vacations and holidays as she says. I understand it is quite expensive to go to the opera, and she was making, what did she say, 45 rubles a month, and she would take a girl friend with her when she went to the opera. Now, how much that cost, I don't know. Mr. REDLICH. Did you ever question her about her financial situation in Russia? Mr. MARTIN. I asked her how she could afford it and she said she got by. She was living at home or with her aunt and uncle. So I imagine their expenses there weren't high. Mr. REDLICH. Did she mention any extra income which Lee Harvey Oswald may have had apart from his job?