Mr. MARTIN. She said something about Mrs. Paine talking too much, and she didn't like Mrs. Paine's children. Mr. REDLICH. Were you aware at the time that Marina had lived with Mrs. Paine? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Were you aware at the time that Mrs. Paine had taken the Oswald family to New Orleans and had---- Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Gone to New Orleans and brought them back to Irving, Tex.? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, that is why I felt she owed Mrs. Paine something. Mr. REDLICH. What was Marina's attitude toward your comments? Mr. MARTIN. She just didn't want to talk to her. Mr. REDLICH. Did you yourself ever meet Mrs. Paine? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Would you describe that meeting? Mr. MARTIN. Well, the first time I met her was we went over to the Paine's house to pick up some of Marina's belongings. Mr. REDLICH. Who is "we"? Mr. MARTIN. John Thorne and I. Mr. REDLICH. Do you recall about when this was? Mr. MARTIN. I guess it was about a week after she had moved in, maybe shorter, maybe sooner than that. There was not much said at all at that meeting. Then when she came out to the house she talked at length, but it was---- Mr. REDLICH. There is another occasion when you say she came? Mr. MARTIN. When she came to my house. Mr. REDLICH. That was the same occasion that you referred to earlier when she came to pick up a package? Mr. MARTIN. To deliver a package. Mr. REDLICH. To deliver a package, I am sorry. Could you relate what happened at that time? Mr. MARTIN. I was quite distracted by the children. It was rather a stiff meeting or conversation. Representative FORD. This was the meeting at Mrs. Paine's house? Mr. MARTIN. No, my house. Representative FORD. Your house? Mr. MARTIN. Mrs. Paine brought, I think, a package and some food, cookies, things like that, for Marina, and---- Mr. DULLES. Those are from Mrs. Paine to Marina, but the package was a third---- Mr. MARTIN. The package came through the mail. Mr. DULLES. That you understand, but the cookies came from Mrs. Paine. Mr. MARTIN. Yes. I believe she brought some toys for the children. What the toys were, I don't recall. Her children were running back and forth through the living room making quite a bit of noise. Mr. DULLES. Mrs. Paine's children? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. And I wasn't really paying too much attention to what she was saying. I was wanting her to leave. I didn't ask her to leave but I wasn't saying much to foster the conversation. Then she left in, I guess, 15 minutes. Mr. REDLICH. What did Mrs. Paine say to you? Mr. MARTIN. Oh, boy---- Mr. DULLES. Was she disturbed, I mean was she annoyed, visibly annoyed, that Marina wouldn't see her. She didn't know Marina was in the house, I realize that. Mr. MARTIN. She didn't know Marina was in the house. I am certain she didn't. Mr. REDLICH. You mean her children were running around the house though, weren't they? Mr. MARTIN. Her children were running in the living room and dining room.