Mr. DULLES. But not into the den? Mr. MARTIN. But not into the den and kitchen. Representative FORD. Do you have a door on the den so you can close the den off? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. She talked mostly about generalities and she would like to see Marina to make sure she is well taken care of, and so on. She was concerned about her. And she came back after that time, she came back once more. I wasn't there. My wife answered the door and didn't invite her in. Mr. DULLES. How long a trip is it from your house to Mrs. Paine's, roughly, a few miles? Mr. MARTIN. No, a good 20 miles. Mr. DULLES. A good 20 miles? Mr. MARTIN. Because it is 30 miles out to the Inn, and she lives about 8 or 10 miles toward me from the Inn, so it is about 20 miles. Mr. REDLICH. Your wife did not invite Mrs. Paine into the house at that time? Mr. MARTIN. No. Mr. REDLICH. Was this at Marina's urging? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mrs. Paine was quite upset at that--that is what Wanda said, she looked upset at that time. Representative FORD. On this occasion, did Mrs. Paine know Marina was in the house? Mr. MARTIN. No, I don't believe so. Mr. DULLES. Did she ask where she was, specifically? Mr. MARTIN. No. Mr. DULLES. She didn't ask? Mr. REDLICH. What was the purpose of her visit? Mr. MARTIN. I don't believe--let's see, she may have brought something that day, too. I don't recall whether she did or not. I know right after that, the Civil Liberties Union got into it. Well, Mark Lane, was first. Mr. REDLICH. You say right after that Mark Lane got into it? Mr. MARTIN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Would you elaborate on that? Mr. MARTIN. Mark Lane came to Dallas, and contacted John Thorne and I. We met him at the Statler and talked to him at lunch, and he expressed a desire to talk to Marina Oswald so that he could represent her husband, defend her husband in a hearing, and we told him that we would relay that information to her. So we did, and she said that she didn't want to have any representation. She didn't want any more---- Mr. REDLICH. You mean she didn't want any representation for Lee Oswald? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, she didn't want any more to do about it. Representative FORD. Can you recall the date of this visit by Mr. Lane? Mr. MARTIN. No. Representative FORD. Was it in December or January? Mr. MARTIN. It was in January, I believe. Mr. REDLICH. And you transmitted Mr. Lane's message to Marina? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, and she said that she didn't want any representation for Lee. Mr. REDLICH. Did you tell her this in English? Mr. MARTIN. Yes, and explained it to her, and at that time she could understand. Mr. DULLES. To your knowledge, did Marina ever meet Mr. Lane? Mr. MARTIN. Not to my knowledge, no. Mr. REDLICH. And you also related the Ruth Paine, second Ruth Paine, visit to your home to something which you referred to as the American Civil Liberties Union business.