When you came downstairs, do you remember seeing a man named Brennan, and did a man named Brennan identify you downstairs? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I don't remember that. Mr. McCLOY. No one that you know--no one said, "This is the man I have seen on the fifth floor window?" Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Were you physically kept from leaving the building when you got downstairs? Did you try to go out of the building? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I wasn't trying to go out of the building because there wasn't any use of trying to, because at the time we arrived on the first floor, I heard an officer shout out and say, "No one leave the building." Mr. McCLOY. Have you got any appreciation of the time that elapsed between your hearing the first shot and the time that you got finally down to the first floor, after you had been on the fifth floor and the fourth floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I could not give you any time. Mr. McCLOY. Well, you did not give us any time. Do you have any recollection now of about how long that was? Was it 15 minutes, 10 minutes, 20 minutes? How long did it take from the time that you were looking out that window and you heard that shot until you did get down to the first floor? Mr. WILLIAMS. Well, I could say approximately 15 minutes, maybe a little before then, maybe after. I could not say exactly. Mr. DULLES. Do you know what time it was when you went off and left for the police station? Mr. WILLIAMS. I could not give you the exact time. Mr. McCLOY. Do you know whether or not anybody got out of the building before the police could get there? Did any of your friends or the people you were working with, did you hear whether any of them had left the building before the building was closed? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I heard Mr. Truly--he said that--he mentioned that--he said, "Where is Lee?" That is what everybody called him. "Where is Lee?", he said, and therefore I assume he did not know where Lee was, that he was out of the building, because everybody else was there. And there was another colored fellow by the name of Charles Givens. He wasn't in the building at the time. He was downtown somewhere. Mr. McCLOY. Had he been at the building at the time of the shooting--Givens? Mr. WILLIAMS. I don't believe he had. Mr. DULLES. What did Mr. Truly say about Lee not being there? Mr. WILLIAMS. The only thing I heard him say is--I think an officer asked him, "Is everyone here?" And he said, "Where is Lee?"--like that, you know. Mr. DULLES. Mr. Truly said that? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Do you know the name of the first policeman that accosted you, who stopped you? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Are you familiar with firearms? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. Do you ever do any hunting? Mr. WILLIAMS. No, sir; I never go hunting. Mr. McCLOY. But you have heard shots fired? Mr. WILLIAMS. Yes, sir; I heard my grandfather try a gun out, something like that. Mr. McCLOY. You were not in the army?