Mr. BELIN. You saw them together come out of the building? Mr. BRENNAN. I don't believe they were. I don't recall seeing any officer bring them out or with them. Mr. BELIN. Now you do not believe then that it was Mr. Williams? Mr. BRENNAN. No; I won't say for sure. I can't tell which of those two it was. Mr. BELIN. In other words, you say that you can't, when you say you can't tell whether it was Mr. Williams or Mr. Norman, did you just see one person or two? Mr. BRENNAN. I saw two but I can't identify which one it was. Mr. BELIN. Could it have been neither one of these persons that you saw? Mr. BRENNAN. I think it was one of them. I think it was this boy on the end. Mr. BELIN. You thought it was Mr. Norman. And what about Mr. Jarman? Mr. BRENNAN. I believe it was him, too. Am I right or wrong? Mr. BALL. I don't know. Mr. BRENNAN. I explained that to you this morning. Mr. BALL. I understand. Any questions? Mr. McCLOY. Did you recognize anyone in this room that you saw in the fifth floor window while you were sitting on the masonry opposite the school book depository? Mr. BRENNAN. That is the two boys that I am speaking of now. Mr. McCLOY. That you are speaking of now? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. Mr. McCLOY. You saw these two men in the fifth floor window and you saw them again on the first floor? Mr. BRENNAN. Coming out of the building down the stairway, coming out on the street, those were the only two people I could identify. Mr. BELIN. I hand you---- Mr. BRENNAN. I recall seeing three people with you I---- Mr. BELIN. I hand you Exhibit 477 which you testified to this morning was a recent picture taken of the Texas School Book Depository Building on March 20. This is you sitting on that concrete wall? Mr. BRENNAN. Right. Mr. BELIN. At first I believe this morning you thought that you saw one person or two people at the point marked B, and then you later said it was to the window which would be to the---- Mr. BRENNAN. Left. Mr. BELIN. Well, let's talk about directions. This direction here would be to the east and this direction here would be to the west? Mr. BRENNAN. Right. Mr. BELIN. Would it be a window to the east or west? Mr. BRENNAN. I believe it was a window to the east. Mr. BELIN. So you saw, you believe you saw two people in this window here to the east of the window that you first marked B? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. I am not positive. Mr. BELIN. You are not positive? Mr. BRENNAN. No. Mr. REDLICH. Mr. McCloy, may I have permission to ask this question of this witness? Mr. McCLOY. Very well. Mr. REDLICH. You stated that you saw two employees walking down the steps of the building? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Do you recall whether the two employees that you saw walking down the steps of the building were the same two employees that you saw on the window, in the window on the fifth floor at the easterly most end of the building?