Mr. BRENNAN. Yes; as far as on the fifth floor and at one of these two windows. The one I circled or this window here. Mr. REDLICH. You mean two of the people that you---- Mr. BRENNAN. At one of the windows I saw two, two of those people, employees that came down. Mr. REDLICH. But you are not prepared to state which of these three possible windows? Mr. BRENNAN. That is right. Mr. REDLICH. By three, I mean the two windows to the east, plus the one window which is circled and marked with a B. Mr. BRENNAN. Nothing makes me think that they were in this window but I am in question whether it was this window or this window. Mr. REDLICH. And of the two people that you saw, it is possible you are saying that one might have been in the window marked B and another might have been in a window to the east? Mr. BRENNAN. Yes. Mr. REDLICH. Thank you. Mr. BELIN. Mr. Brennan, are you basing your recollection on what you saw during the moments that the shots were fired or on what you saw when you observed these windows prior to the time the motorcade arrived? Mr. BRENNAN. What I saw prior. There was no significance to the fact at all. In other words, there is a little difference in your memory there on this. Mr. BALL. No questions. You may be excused, Mr. Brennan. You two men can also be excused and we will call you in a few moments, Mr. Jarman. Mr. REDLICH. We don't need Mr. Williams at all. Mr. BALL. We don't need you at all. Mr. REDLICH. We may want him back. Mr. BELIN. Don't get too far away. TESTIMONY OF HAROLD NORMAN I will ask you if you will please stand and hold up your right hand. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you give in this case will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. NORMAN. I do. Mr. BALL. Mr. Norman. Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where do you live? Mr. NORMAN. 4858 Beulah Place, Dallas, Tex. Mr. BALL. Are you married? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. How old are you? Mr. NORMAN. 26. I will be. Mr. BALL. Where were you born? Mr. NORMAN. Clarksville, Tex. Mr. BALL. Were you raised in Clarksville? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Go to school there? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How far did you go to school? Mr. NORMAN. I graduated there. Mr. BALL. From high school? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. In Clarksville? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What kind of work did you do after you got out of school? Mr. NORMAN. Well, I remember working in Salina. I did a car washing job at the McElroy Chevrolet Co., and after I left there I came to Dallas and I started working at the depository, the School Book Depository. Mr. BALL. That was about what year did you start working there? Mr. NORMAN. In 1961, I believe. Mr. BALL. 1961? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. How long did you work there? Mr. NORMAN. Well, I think this coming October would have made 3 years. Mr. BALL. And you work there now? Mr. NORMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Where do you work now?