Mr. NORMAN. Yes. They were going through there. Mr. BALL. You saw police officers searching cars over on the railroad tracks? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. And how long did you stay at that window? Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember, but it wasn't very long. Mr. BALL. Then where did you go? Mr. NORMAN. We ran down to the first floor. Mr. BALL. As you were at the fifth floor, looking west as shown in Exhibit No. 489, were you able to see the stairwell? Mr. NORMAN. No. Mr. BALL. Why? Mr. NORMAN. Because there is a row of bins there that prevents you standing in a position that I was in to keep you from seeing it. Mr. BALL. There is 492. Does that show the row of bins? Mr. NORMAN. Yes; the row of bins. Mr. BALL. They block off the stairwell. Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Do you remember that we tried an experiment when you were there by putting you three men in line and then taking a picture to see if we could see any one of you? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. This is a picture 491. That is your picture, isn't it? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where are you? Mr. NORMAN. In the middle. Mr. BALL. And who is that on the end? Mr. NORMAN. Which end? Oh, this is Bonnie Ray Williams. Mr. BALL. Who is this one? Mr. NORMAN. James Jarman. Mr. BALL. And then a picture, do you remember another picture was taken, 492? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir; I remember that picture. Mr. BALL. Can you see anyone in that picture? Mr. NORMAN. I see one person. Mr. BALL. Can you make him out? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. I recognize him as James Jarman. Mr. BALL. Jarman, the one on the end? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Now did you see any police officer come up on that floor? Mr. NORMAN. I didn't. Mr. BALL. You didn't. Mr. NORMAN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Or did you see Mr. Truly come up? Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. Or did you hear any elevator operator? Mr. NORMAN. No; I don't recall. Mr. BALL. Going up or down? Mr. NORMAN. No, sir; I don't recall anyone. Mr. BALL. When you were brought to the first floor or when you came to the first floor how did you go down there? Mr. NORMAN. We came down the stairway. I remember we came down the stairway. Mr. BALL. When you got to the first floor did someone talk to you, police officers? Mr. NORMAN. I don't remember a police officer talking to me as soon as we got down there. I don't. Mr. BALL. Did anyone talk to you later? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. Who? Mr. NORMAN. I guess they were Secret Service men. But I know they talked to us. Mr. BALL. Did they take you over to the police station later? Mr. NORMAN. No; they didn't carry me to the police station. Mr. BALL. When did you leave the place? Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say somewhere around 2 o'clock, somewhere in the vicinity of that. Mr. BALL. Who did you leave with? Mr. NORMAN. Mr. James Jarman. I can't remember who.