Mr. JARMAN. To try to get in the same position that we were the day the assassination was. Mr. BALL. And did you do that? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. We tried to the best of our knowledge. Mr. BALL. I have a picture here I would like to have marked as Commission Exhibit 494. Mr. McCLOY. It is so marked. (The document referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 494 for identification.) Mr. BALL. Is that your picture? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Taken last Friday afternoon, March 20th, is that right? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Now does it or does it not show your position at about the time, as you were watching the President's motorcade go by? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir; that is the position I had as it was going by. Mr. BALL. You are on your knees? Mr. JARMAN. Right, sir. Mr. BALL. I show this to each member of the Commission. This is a new exhibit. 485, you recognize that picture? Mr. JARMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What does it show? Mr. JARMAN. It shows that I was on my knees as the motorcade was passing. Mr. BALL. And shows the other two men? Mr. JARMAN. As the motorcade was passing. Mr. BALL. It shows their position? Mr. JARMAN. At the time. Mr. BALL. At the time the motorcade was passing? Mr. JARMAN. Right, sir. Mr. BALL. This has been introduced into evidence. I don't believe you have seen that, Congressman. Representative FORD. This is yourself here? Mr. JARMAN. Yes. Representative FORD. The one closest to an individual looking at the photograph. Mr. JARMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. After the motorcade passed, what happened? Mr. JARMAN. After the motorcade turned, going west on Elm, then there was a loud shot, or backfire, as I thought it was then--I thought it was a backfire. Mr. BALL. You thought it was what? Mr. JARMAN. A backfire or an officer giving a salute to the President. And then at that time I didn't, you know, think too much about it. And then the second shot was fired, and that is when the people started falling on the ground and the motorcade car jumped forward, and then the third shot was fired right behind the second one. Mr. BALL. Were you still on your knees looking up? Mr. JARMAN. Well, after the third shot was fired, I think I got up and I ran over to Harold Norman and Bonnie Ray Williams, and told them, I said, I told them that it wasn't a backfire or anything, that somebody was shooting at the President. Mr. BALL. And then did they say anything? Mr. JARMAN. Hank said, Harold Norman, rather, said that he thought the shots had came from above us, and I noticed that Bonnie Ray had a few debris in his head. It was sort of white stuff, or something, and I told him not to brush it out, but he did anyway. Mr. BALL. He had some white what, like plaster? Mr. JARMAN. Like some come off a brick or plaster or something. Mr. BALL. Did Norman say anything else that you remember?