Senator COOPER. At any time? Mrs. PAINE. Did I, personally? Senator COOPER. Have you seen these packages since the assassination? Mrs. PAINE. It seems to me I recall seeing a package. Senator COOPER. What? Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall opening it up and looking in carefully. I seem to recall seeing the package. Senator COOPER. Both of them? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Senator COOPER. Or just one? Mrs. PAINE. Both. Senator COOPER. Did you feel them to see if the rods were in there? Mrs. PAINE. No. I think Michael did, but I am not certain. Senator COOPER. But you never did, yourself? Mrs. PAINE. It was not my most pressing---- Senator COOPER. What? Mrs. PAINE. It was not the most pressing thing I had to do at that time. Senator COOPER. I know that. But you must have read after the assassination the story about Lee Oswald saying, he told Mr. Frazier, I think, that he was carrying some curtain rods in the car? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Senator COOPER. Do you remember reading that? Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I remember reading that. Senator COOPER. Didn't that lead you--Did it lead you then to go in and see if the curtain rods were there? Mrs. PAINE. It was all I could do at that point to answer my door, answer my telephone, and take care of my children. Senator COOPER. I understand you had many things to do. Mrs. PAINE. So I did not. Senator COOPER. You never did do it? Mrs. PAINE. I am not certain whether I specifically went in and checked on that. I recall a conversation with Michael about it and, to the best of my recollection, things looked as I expected to find them looking out there. This package with brown paper was still there. Mr. JENNER. By any chance, does that package appear in the photograph that you have identified of the interior of your garage? Mrs. PAINE. I think it is this that is on a shelf almost to the ceiling. Mr. JENNER. May I get over here, Mr. Chairman? Mrs. PAINE. Along the west edge of the garage, up here. Mr. JENNER. In view of this, I think it is of some importance that you mark on Commission Exhibit 429 what appears to you to be the package in which the curtain rods were. Mrs. PAINE. To the best of my recollection. Mr. JENNER. Now the witness has by an arrow indicated a shelf very close to the ceiling in the rear of the garage, and an arrow pointing to what appears to be a long package on that shelf, underneath which she has written "Wrapping paper around venetian blinds"---- Mrs. PAINE. "And thin." Mr. JENNER. What is the next word? Mrs. PAINE. "Curtain rods." Mr. JENNER. There were two packages, Mrs. Paine, one with the rods and one with the Venetian blinds? Mrs. PAINE. I can't recall. The rods were so thin they hardly warranted a package of their own, but that is rationalization, as you call it. Mr. JENNER. You do have a recollection that those rods were a very lightweight metal? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Do you? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. They were not round. Mr. JENNER. They were flat and slender?