Mr. SIMS. No, sir; now, I think the showup that I didn't conduct the next day, I believe he refused to answer questions or said something about a T-shirt or something. Mr. BALL. He didn't say anything of that sort? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; he acted normal, with the other showups I was in. Mr. BALL. He answered the questions? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; he did. Mr. BALL. Did you hear anything else from the audience side of the showup? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you know the names of any witnesses that were out there? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't know who was out there. Mr. BALL. Did you talk to any of the witnesses that were out there? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. Either before or after the showup, did you talk to any of the witnesses out there? Mr. SIMS. I don't believe I did--I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. Did you take any statements from any of the witnesses in this showup? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. After this showup, what did you do? Mr. SIMS. We brought Oswald back to the office there. Mr. BALL. To the interrogation room? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; back to Captain Fritz' office at 4:20. Mr. BALL. At 4:20? Mr. SIMS. Yes. Mr. BALL. Who was present in Captain Fritz' office at that time? Mr. SIMS. The FBI agents and Secret Service agents talked to Oswald some more. Mr. BALL. What were their names? Mr. SIMS. I don't know their names. Mr. BALL. You didn't record the names of the Secret Service officers? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, do you remember how long this interrogation of Oswald took place? Mr. SIMS. Well, sir, we took him back to the second showup at 6:20, so that would be a matter of 2 hours. Now, whether he was in Captain Fritz' office all this time or in the interrogation room some of the time or Captain Fritz' office all the time, I don't remember. Mr. BALL. Now, at this second interrogation at Captain Fritz' office beginning at 4:20, was Oswald handcuffed? Mr. SIMS. Well, now, I can't tell you--I don't remember if he were handcuffed or not. Mr. BALL. Did you make any notes of what was said at that time? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I never did make any notes of any of the interrogation. Mr. BALL. Do you remember anything that was said at 4:20? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I couldn't. Mr. BALL. Do you have any memory at all? Mr. SIMS. No. Mr. BALL. Could you make any kind of an attempt to testify to what you heard there? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I couldn't say for sure what was said or what he told Captain Fritz or the agents either. Mr. BALL. Did you ask any questions? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; the only time I would talk to him would be when Captain Fritz would be out of the office and then Boyd and I, or whoever was in the office with him would talk to him. Mr. BALL. But at this time when the Secret Service and the FBI were in Captain Fritz' office, did you ask any questions at that time? Mr. SIMS. No. Mr. BALL. Did anyone--any Secret Service man or any FBI man ask him questions at that time?