Mr. SIMS. Yes; they asked him questions. Mr. BALL. Did you know those men? Mr. SIMS. Well, I know a good many of them here--I didn't have their names--I don't remember who it was. Mr. BALL. You don't remember who was in there at the time? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Now, at 6:20 there was another showup, was there? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And where was Oswald before you took him to that showup? Mr. SIMS. He would be there in Captain Fritz' office there in the city hall. Mr. BALL. And you took him where? Mr. SIMS. Back down to the same stage--on the stage there. Mr. BALL. Who was in this second showup? Mr. SIMS. The same officers and the jail clerk that was with him on the first one. Mr. BALL. Mention their names again. Mr. SIMS. All right, the second showup was at 6:20, approximately, and there was W. E. Perry, police officer, Richard Clark, police department, and Don Ables, jail civilian clerk. Mr. BALL. Were these men handcuffed at this time? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; they were handcuffed. Mr. BALL. Were they dressed the same? Mr. SIMS. I believe so; yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Were they dressed differently than Oswald? Mr. SIMS. Yes; I know they didn't have the color of clothes on or things like that. Mr. BALL. Did they have ties on? Mr. SIMS. I don't recall if they did or not. Mr. BALL. Oswald had a T-shirt on, didn't he? Mr. SIMS. He had on a brown shirt, some kind of a brown shirt, and he had a white T-shirt on underneath that. Mr. BALL. Underneath that? Mr. SIMS. Yes; underneath that. Mr. BALL. His clothes were rougher looking than the other men? Mr. SIMS. Well, I don't imagine that he would be dressed as nice as the officers were, as far as their clothes. Mr. BALL. Well, the other three men that were in the showup, did they have coats on--did anyone have a coat on? Mr. SIMS. Well, I don't believe--Mr. Ables--I'm pretty sure he didn't have a coat on and don't believe any of the officers had them on--I don't remember how they was dressed as far as their coats go. Mr. BALL. Do you remember whether or not they had ties on? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don't. Mr. BALL. Who conducted the showup? Mr. SIMS. Well, the second showup, I'm not positive, but I believe I conducted the second showup. Mr. BALL. How did you conduct it? Mr. SIMS. Well, they are all under a number and I would have them--one, two, three, and four, and No. 1 stand on that center back square there and give their names and age and address and if they own a car, where they went to school, where they were born, where they were raised. Mr. BALL. Did you know who was out in the audience with the witnesses? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. Do you know the names of any of the witnesses? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I didn't. Mr. BALL. Did you hear any conversation that came from the audience side of the showup? Mr. SIMS. None that I can recall. Mr. BALL. Now, did you give us in your first showup the numbers assigned to these people? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir.