Mr. BURROUGHS. He was walking, but he was kind of urged on out the door into the car. Mr. BALL. Was he handcuffed? Mr. BURROUGHS. Yes. Mr. BALL. Were his hands behind him or in front of him? Mr. BURROUGHS. They were behind him. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a police officer strike him? Mr. BURROUGHS. No. Mr. BALL. Did you see a police officer with his arm around the neck of this man, who arrested him? Mr. BURROUGHS. I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a police officer strike this man with the butt of a shotgun? Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Were any of the officers in the theatre armed with shotguns? Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir; I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. I think that's all, Mr. Burroughs, and this will be written up and you can go down and sign it if you wish, or you can waive your signature right now. Which do you prefer? Mr. BURROUGHS. I want to come down and sign it. Mr. BALL. All right. You will be notified to come down and you can read it over and sign it. Thank you very much for coming down here. Mr. BURROUGHS. Thank you. I hope I helped you some. Mr. BALL. Yes; I hope you did, too. Mr. BURROUGHS. I'll see you later. Mr. BALL. All right. Goodby. TESTIMONY OF BOB K. CARROLL The testimony of Bob K. Carroll was taken at 9 a.m., on April 3, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BALL. Mr. Carroll, would you stand up please and take the oath. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before this Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. CARROLL. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please? Mr. CARROLL. Bob K. Carroll. Mr. BALL. And what is your residence address? Mr. CARROLL. 814 Redbud, Duncanville, Tex. Mr. BALL. And what is your occupation? Mr. CARROLL. Detective, Dallas Police Department. Mr. BALL. How long have you been with the Dallas Police Department? Mr. CARROLL. Ten years and three months. Mr. BALL. Tell me something about yourself? Where were you born? Mr. CARROLL. I was born here in Dallas. Mr. BALL. Where did you go to school? Mr. CARROLL. Sunset High. Mr. BALL. And did you go beyond high school? Mr. CARROLL. No, sir. Mr. BALL. What did you do after you got out of high school?