Mr. CARROLL. Well, we went in and had more or less a vague idea--well, the people that I saw up in the balcony were either real young or older people and so we started back down---- Mr. BALL. Had you had a description of the man you were looking for? Mr. CARROLL. They gave me a vague one on the telephone when I called and checked about the officer. Mr. BALL. Who are "they"? Mr. CARROLL. Whoever was on duty at the dispatcher's office--I don't know who it was at that time. Mr. BALL. What was the description that he gave you? Mr. CARROLL. He just gave a general height description and age--just generally. Mr. BALL. Tell me what he said. Mr. CARROLL. I'm trying to recall now exactly--he gave the height and I can't recall now exactly how he said it--it's been so long ago, and it was all--I know he gave roughly, just a rough description. It wasn't a detailed description at all, and I'm trying to remember now exactly how he worded it. Mr. BALL. Can you give me the approximate age--around? Mr. CARROLL. I believe he said he was between 20 or 25 or something, like that, I'm not quite sure, because everything moved real fast and everything like that. Mr. BALL. And you don't have anything from which you can refresh your memory, I suppose? Mr. CARROLL. No, sir; not as to that. Mr. BALL. You didn't make a note of it? Mr. CARROLL. It was just strictly a telephone conversation--no, sir. Mr. BALL. At any rate, when you looked at the balcony, did you see anyone who fitted this vague description that had been given you over the telephone by the dispatcher? Mr. CARROLL. Not that I thought fit it. Mr. BALL. What did you do then? Mr. CARROLL. Well, I started down the stairs and was going back down to the lower floor when I heard someone holler something--I believe it was "Here he is," or something like that. I mean, it was a loud holler, you could tell it wasn't just someone talking, and I started running, and Lyons fell--he sprained his ankle--and I started running and I came up to the right of Oswald. I came up to the right and Sergeant Hill to the left, and then Ray Hawkins was in the aisle behind him--he come up in the aisle behind from the left. Mr. BALL. You came from the left aisle, did you, down the row of seats? Mr. CARROLL. No, sir; facing the screen, I came from the right aisle and then come up on Oswald's right. Mr. BALL. Who came from Oswald's left, facing the screen? Mr. CARROLL. Jerry Hill--Sgt. Jerry Hill. Mr. BALL. And then, who came from behind? Mr. CARROLL. Ray Hawkins. Mr. BALL. Where were you when you heard the sound "I've got him"? Mr. CARROLL. Just coming off of the stairs from the balcony. Mr. BALL. And you ran to the orchestra entrance--did you--to the aisle?