Mr. GLOVER. I do not know the name offhand. Mr. JENNER. And that his name is spelled B-a-l-l-e-n, and his first name is Samuel? Mr. GLOVER. I just call him Sam. I don't know whether his name is Samuel or not. Mr. JENNER. Do you know anything about the De Mohrenschildts' views toward religion? Mr. GLOVER. They are very much against religion, I am quite sure. They don't think very much of organized religion at all. Mr. JENNER. Do you have any information more definite than that? Are they atheistic, are they just--don't have any feeling one way or the other? Mr. GLOVER. Be hard for me to say. I would think probably that atheistic would be more the correct term, but I don't recall specific remarks that they made. Mr. JENNER. Did you have any impression, and do you now, as to any political affiliation of the De Mohrenschildts together or separate? Mr. GLOVER. Any kind of affiliation? Mr. JENNER. Political or otherwise. Mr. GLOVER. Political or otherwise. Well, business, he belongs to the Petroleum Club. He talks about being down there. And I don't know of any other organizations. Mr. JENNER. Well---- Mr. GLOVER. Well, cystic fibrosis, they are very active in that, because of his son. Mr. JENNER. That is a charity organization? Mr. GLOVER. A charity organization. And they were very active in this, because the wife, although it was not her son involved, was very, very active in that and went from door to door collecting, trying to get money for this purpose. I don't know of any other organizations. I remember one time being invited to some kind of charity program over at the--I don't know how to call it any more, but there is a center for retarded children over in the Cedar Springs area, which it seems that a Mexican-American organization was sponsoring, and he invited me to go to that. I don't know if they were members or not. I think that was sort of a Mexican-American, I am not sure. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever have the impression they ever belonged to any political organizations? Mr. GLOVER. No; I did not have any impression that he belonged to any. Mr. JENNER. Did they express what their politics were? That is, say, as between being Republican or Democrat? Mr. GLOVER. I don't recall anything very strong on that subject. Mr. JENNER. Did you, during your time here in Dallas, become acquainted with Marina and Lee Oswald? Mr. GLOVER. I did. Mr. JENNER. Would you state when it was that you first became acquainted with either or both of them. Mr. GLOVER. I am not able to give a specific time. I met Marina first at the home of George De Mohrenschildt.