Mr. JENNER. All right, give me the circumstances and when that occurred and what led up to it, and what you knew in advance before the meeting was held, about that? That is, whether this came all of a sudden without any advance notice, or whether there had been some discussion with the De Mohrenschildts prior to that time. Just tell me the whole circumstances leading up to the moment you met Marina. Mr. GLOVER. I am not able to state a specific time, but of course it was somewhere, I am not really able to say whether it was sometime in December, or in January, or sometime in that time, or in the first part. Mr. JENNER. What year? Mr. GLOVER. This would be the year 1962-63. Mr. JENNER. Now would you fix it with respect to when your wife and you separated. Was that in December of 1962, did you say? Mr. GLOVER. No, we separated before September 1, 1962. I am not able to say when she (Marina) came to the De Mohrenschildts. Marina came to the De Mohrenschildts several times. The first time I met her and subsequent times, she was also there. Mr. JENNER. Had there been--has there been any conversation about the Oswalds with you or in your presence prior to the time that you met Marina? Mr. GLOVER. Well, I am not sure about this, but I would think, yes; they had mentioned her. Mr. JENNER. The De Mohrenschildts had mentioned her? Mr. GLOVER. Had mentioned her and her husband and their situation, but I really do not know a hundred percent that they mentioned it before I came over there. I rather think they mentioned she was coming there previous to my meeting her. Mr. JENNER. What did they say about her in advance of the meeting? Mr. GLOVER. Well, they told about, this is as far as I remember, that they told about her coming over here with Oswald and, as far as I remember the impression I got from De Mohrenschildt--it might not have been entirely from him, it may have come later--Oswald had gone to Russia to live and had become a citizen. That is the impression I got. And that he had decided he didn't like Russia and he came back here and brought his Russian-born wife with him, and were living in Fort Worth, and they were having trouble getting along, the Oswalds were. Mr. JENNER. Getting along with each other? Mr. GLOVER. Getting along with each other. Mr. JENNER. You remember that distinctly? Mr. GLOVER. Yes; I remember that very distinctly, because they were trying to find a place for Marina to stay. Mr. JENNER. You learned all this through conversations with the De Mohrenschildts? Mr. GLOVER. Right. Mr. JENNER. Is that correct? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And either or both of them told you that the Oswalds were not getting along? Mr. GLOVER. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And that they were seeking what for them?