Mr. GRIFFIN. At that point, you were at the jail office door nearest to the ramp driveway, and you looked in that door and you saw some news people? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; photographers. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you recognize any of them? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall them. We went in there and moved them out. We went and instructed the jail supervisor that there was to be no one in that jail office except officers. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who was the supervisor? Chief BATCHELOR. Lieutenant Wiggins. And we moved them out and we instructed the reporters, and there were a number of them down there at that time, by no means all of them, that--later there were, but there was a good many--we told them they would have to stand back over here. Mr. GRIFFIN. That is against the railing? Chief BATCHELOR. Along the railing. And they had set up two TV cameras behind this railing. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you mark with an "S," where the two cameras were set up? Chief BATCHELOR. [Marking.] Then there was another one right here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was that third camera there when you came down at 10:45? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't think so. That was the one sitting over there. These were the two sitting out here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now the two cameras that you placed there had been originally near the record room? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you see them near the record room? When you came in in the morning? Chief BATCHELOR. No. That trip down after we came down. Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you take Exhibit 5000, and would you mark those two TV cameras that you saw on the first trip? Chief BATCHELOR. [Marks.] Mr. GRIFFIN. I believe you said that that time was 9:15? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; now they had been moved here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Behind the railing? Chief BATCHELOR. Behind the railing, and this was one sitting here. That was dead. Mr. GRIFFIN. You are marking in the entrance to the garage off the Main Street ramp? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. That camera that you are marking there in the garage? Chief BATCHELOR. Not operating. Mr. GRIFFIN. By that, do you mean that the---- Chief BATCHELOR. It wasn't hooked up. Mr. GRIFFIN. But the other two cameras which you have marked behind the railing, were they taking shots when you walked down? Chief BATCHELOR. No; I don't know that they were at that time. They didn't have any lights on, no floodlights on, and they had been told to keep their floodlights off. They didn't turn them on. Mr. GRIFFIN. Prior to the time that you came down on the second trip at about 10:45, did you discuss with anybody up on the third floor where you wanted these TV people placed and what you wanted done with the lights? Chief BATCHELOR. We told the men down here, and we told the reporters down here, just kind of announced to them. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you walked down?