Mr. GRIFFIN. Were they all his? Mr. GRAVES. Yes, yes; they were. Then---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you help him put his---- Mr. GRAVES. I assisted him in putting this on. Then, we, of course, started on out with him. Went on to the elevator, down the hall to what they call the jail office elevator. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you given any instructions as to how you should guard him? Mr. GRAVES. As I said, I was--told to hold to the arm and walk close to him and Montgomery was to walk behind us and Captain Fritz, and Lieutenant Swain in front of us and that is the way we started out to the elevator, and out of the elevator door over to the jail office. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any discussion about staying close to Oswald? Mr. GRAVES. We were instructed to stay close to him; yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right, now, was there any discussion about protecting Oswald from other people who’d like to get at him? Mr. GRAVES. Well, to come down and tell us to do that would be elementary, actually, because, I mean, we just know to do that, and our captain knows that we know to do that. So, actually, we weren’t specifically told, “Now, you just watch this man and don’t let anybody touch him.” Or anything like that. We were told that the way would be open and nobody would be interfering with us. Wouldn’t be anybody there. All we would have to do was walk to the car. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any fear that somebody might come right up in front of him and do something to him? Mr. GRAVES. We didn’t have any fear of that because as I said, that--we were told that the security was so that no one would be there but newsmen and officers. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, prior to taking Oswald down to the basement, had you learned anything about the threatening telephone calls which the police department had received? Mr. GRAVES. I had not. At that time I didn’t know that there had been any threatening calls. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you subsequently learn? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; learned later that the FBI had a call to that effect, but I learned that our office had had similar calls, too. Mr. GRIFFIN. What route did you follow when you left Captain Fritz’ office with Oswald? Mr. GRAVES. Of course, went out our door and turned left, which would be--south. Mr. GRIFFIN. Went into the third floor hallway? Mr. GRAVES. Third floor hallway; yes, sir; and went to a solid door which leads us into the jail elevator. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you walked out, were there news people out in the hallway? Mr. GRAVES. Yes, lots of them. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there TV cameras up in the hallway? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; all kinds of cameras. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, how long a period of time lapsed from the time you stopped answering the telephone calls until you got out on the third floor hallway with Oswald? Mr. GRAVES. Ten or 15 minutes, I guess, approximately.