Mr. GRAVES. Well, Chief Curry told Captain Fritz that the security was taken care of, that there wouldn’t be nobody in that ramp. Anyway, that cameras would be over behind that rail of that ramp. So, what we expected to find was our officers along the side there, but we found newsmen inside that ramp, in fact, in the way of that car. Now, we--Captain Fritz sent Dhority and Brown and Beck on down to the basement in plenty of time to get that car up there for us, and when they got down there and run into mass confusion of pressmen, we almost backed over some of them to get up there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, after Fritz sent Dhority and Brown down, did they send word back up to Fritz’ office that everything was ready in the basement? Mr. GRAVES. Somebody did. I believe Baker called--Lieutenant Baker called down from our office to check with the jail downstairs and see that everything was ready. Somebody gave them the word. I don’t know whether it was Lieutenant Wiggins or who told them that it was all right. Everything was in order. Mr. GRIFFIN. You say you were quite surprised when you saw these news people? Mr. GRAVES. I was surprised that they were rubbing my elbow. You know, if you saw that film, you saw one of them with a mike in his hand. He actually rubbed my elbow. We were in a slight turn when this thing happened, and my attention had been called to that car door, and this joker was standing there with a microphone in his hand, and others that--I don’t know if they were newsmen--they weren’t officers--had cameras around their necks and everything. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you looked up at that line of news people, from your left over to the TV cameras, how many lines deep is it your recollection that they were? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I would say two or three deep until they crossed that ramp and went down the side. Might not have been more than one deep there. Might not have been much room, because the car was trying to come in there. Might have been two deep. I know there was a line of men there, and how deep I don’t know. I saw through the corner of my eye a movement over there of men. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you walked out, did you notice any police officers that you recognized? Mr. GRAVES. Oh, yes; I recognized officers standing around the walls there. Mr. GRIFFIN. As you walked out, did you see Officer Harrison? Mr. GRAVES. No; I didn’t see him. Matter of fact, I never did see him until it was all over. You are talking about “Blackie”? Mr. GRIFFIN. “Blackie” Harrison; W. J. Harrison. Mr. GRAVES. I didn’t see him until it was all over. Mr. GRIFFIN. When you saw Jack come forward with the gun in his hand, did you hear anybody say anything?