Mr. GRAVES. I heard noise. There was a racing of a motor and noises, talking going on. As I say, my attention had been directed to that car, and we had already turned, looked in that direction and something could have been said, but as I said, I heard noises but just exactly what was said I wasn’t able to determine. Mr. GRIFFIN. What do you remember doing when Jack came forward with the gun? Mr. GRAVES. I remember going after the gun. Just the moment I saw him, that is what I actually did, was go for the gun. Mr. GRIFFIN. And did you wrestle with him? With Jack? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Will you tell us what you remember Jack Ruby doing from the time you saw him and while you wrestled with him and so forth? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I grabbed his arm by the wrist with my left hand, and grabbed right over the gun with my right hand simultaneously. Mr. GRIFFIN. You grabbed the arm holding the gun? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; and jerked it down and across my leg and turned my back to him, and, of course, he was trying to pull back, and was squeezing on that trigger like so [indicating]. I had his wrist here [indicating], and I could feel it, and I remember saying, “turn it loose. Turn it loose.” You know, like that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, you are making a motion like you are twisting his arm? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; I was. See, I had it like this, and I had got that arm and then twisted that gun like that [indicating], right out of his hand, see. Mr. GRIFFIN. Let me indicate for the record that you have shown that you twisted his arm 180°. Mr. GRAVES. Until he released it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Until he released the gun? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long was it from the time you released--grabbed his arm until he released the gun? Mr. GRAVES. Just a matter of seconds. Mr. GRIFFIN. It was not a long struggle? Mr. GRAVES. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Fairly easy to wrestle the gun away? Mr. GRAVES. Put it this way. It wasn’t easy because he had a grip on the gun, but the way I took it, he had to turn it loose. I had his arm--kind of hard to explain--take your arm and bend it over my leg like that and twist down on it like that [indicating]. You have got to give. Mr. GRIFFIN. You are bending the arm over your leg? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did Jack say anything? Mr. GRAVES. He didn’t say anything to me. I understand that he said something, that is, some things to the officer that took him in. I---- Mr. GRIFFIN. I mean, as you were struggling with him? Mr. GRAVES. No; not to me. I had his arm over and my back to him and, of course, officers were covering him up, and when I got the gun loose from him, of course, they snatched him away from me, and by the time I got straightened up to check that gun and see if the hammer was back or not, they had already taken him into the jail office. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do there? You were standing there or lying? Mr. GRAVES. I was standing. I never did go down.