Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. In other words, after 6:30 in the afternoon all doors are locked and all elevators are canceled but one, which that is what they call the freight elevator. It runs from the basement all the way to the fifth floor, and that is where everybody is supposed to go in and out, through the building at night and on weekends, Saturdays and Sundays and holidays, unless it is maintenance men, they have their own keys. Mr. HUBERT. Now, is there any passageway between the building known as the jail building, or the police department building and the municipal building? Mr. McKINZIE. First floor, second floor and third floor. Mr. HUBERT. And what? Mr. McKINZIE. In other words, they have gates there that they close after closing time and lock. Mr. HUBERT. Sort of a gate made of---- Mr. McKINZIE. Metal. Mr. HUBERT. Metal across metal, sort of like an accordion. Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And it locks? Mr. McKINZIE. They lock that after closing time. Stay locked until 6:30, 7 the next morning. Mr. HUBERT. And on weekends? Mr. McKINZIE. No; on weekends it would be locked permanently. Mr. HUBERT. From 6:30 Friday, in the afternoon until about 7 o’clock Monday morning? Mr. McKINZIE. Right. Mr. HUBERT. And that is true of the gates, small gates on the second and third floor, also? Mr. McKINZIE. First, second and third. That is the only--there is three of them, three floors, first, second and third. Mr. HUBERT. Now, is it possible to get into the first floor of the municipal building from the basement by using a--the staircase, the fire escape, the fire escape staircase? Mr. McKINZIE. It is kept locked. They do have a door there. Mr. HUBERT. There is a double door. Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir; they have just an ordinary door made like that one there that you go up the stair steps from the basement, but it is locked. It is--well, it is locked at nights, too. Mr. HUBERT. It is locked. Which side? Mr. McKINZIE. From the--it would be locked from the outside. Mr. HUBERT. From the basement side? Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. You can come out it. You can come down and come out it, but you can’t go in it from the basement without a key. Mr. HUBERT. Now, if a person was on the first floor, could he get to the basement by using the fire escape stairs? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir. Mr. HUBERT. In other words, the fire escape staircase doors on the first floor of the municipal building are not locked? Mr. McKINZIE. No, sir. Mr. HUBERT. So, you can get into that fire escape staircase, as it were, and go one flight down and---- Mr. McKINZIE. That’s right. Mr. HUBERT. And you can open the door down there, that is not locked? Mr. McKINZIE. It is locked, but you can open it from the inside. Mr. HUBERT. Okay, open from the staircase side, so, if you got into the staircase, you could get into the basement, is that right? Mr. McKINZIE. Yes, sir; that’s right.