Mr. GRAVES. I believe they had already put some white clothes on him, jail clothes, taken his suit off of him. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, did you go into Captain Fritz’ office? Mr. GRAVES. No; I didn’t. I didn’t see Jack Ruby anymore until they transferred him to the county. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you talk to any police officer that day about how Ruby got into the jail? Mr. GRAVES. As I say, I just heard rumors going around, and at this point I don’t really remember who related it to me, but--there was rumors that he---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember as you got back there what the first rumor was that you heard circulating? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; that he slipped in the basement by a squad car when they drove out the north ramp. Mr. GRIFFIN. You heard this when you got back to the---- Mr. GRAVES. Sometime after I got back. Just exactly when, I don’t know, but that got around shortly after. It could have been 2 or 3 hours later, I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. What was the next rumor that you heard? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I don’t know. I heard that Chief Batchelor and a couple of the detectives had walked down the ramp and Ruby walked in with them, and I heard that he probably had a pass. Mr. GRIFFIN. And---- Mr. GRAVES. Press pass, and he used that on one of the officers at the door to get in. You can hear everything. Mr. GRIFFIN. When did you first hear the rumor that he had walked down the Main Street ramp? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I can’t remember. Just some time that day after we got back there from the hospital. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you hear it before or after the other rumors that you are relating? Mr. GRAVES. That was the first one that I heard, really. Mr. GRIFFIN. That he walked down the Main Street ramp? Mr. GRAVES. That he walked down the ramp when that squad car drove out. Mr. GRIFFIN. And people came out of Captain Fritz’ office, who had been talking with Ruby, did you hear anything coming out of Captain Fritz’ office as to how Ruby got in? Mr. GRAVES. No; sure didn’t. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever learn from any of the detectives who had been talking to Ruby in Captain Fritz’ office how Ruby got into the jail basement? Mr. GRAVES. Well, let’s see. I don’t know who it was, that told me how he (Ruby) got in. Now, Captain Fritz later told us that he asked Ruby how he got in there and he told him, I believe it was, at that time that he would rather not discuss that. Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. And did Captain Fritz tell you this shortly after this interview that Fritz was having with Ruby? Mr. GRAVES. It was some time after the interview. And I don’t remember exactly when, but it was some time after he had talked with him. Maybe the second time, I don’t know, but it was some time after he had told him, and they told---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at the time that Ruby--at the time that you learned from Fritz that Ruby didn’t want to talk about how he got in this basement, had you already heard that Ruby came down the ramp? Mr. GRAVES. Yes.