Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you already heard the other rumors which you have related? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you later hear from Captain Fritz, or any other police officer that he had talked with Ruby and Ruby had said something about how he got in---- Mr. GRAVES. I didn’t hear that from Captain Fritz that I know of. Mr. GRIFFIN. But, from any other police officer? Mr. GRAVES. Something to the effect that he told somebody how he got in there, but I never did find out the straight of that. They had started a full scale investigation in terms of what happened in the basement at that time. Nobody was telling anybody anything so I just dropped it. Mr. GRIFFIN. About what time did they---- Mr. GRAVES. I don’t know exactly when they started that, but, they started trying to find out what happened, and I am sure, immediately. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever talk with Officer Dean, as far as you can remember? Mr. GRAVES. I didn’t discuss it with Officer Dean at all. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you ever talk with Officer McMillon? Mr. GRAVES. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Or Officer Clardy? Mr. GRAVES. Can we go off the record? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. (Discussion off the record.) Mr. GRIFFIN. On the record for this. Is there anything that we haven’t covered in connection with the murder of Lee Oswald, including how Ruby got into the basement, or things that might shed some light upon Ruby’s motive or possible associates that he might have had that you could tell the Commission? Mr. GRAVES. No, and I wish that there was. Listen, as I said, we have heard a lot of things but we have never been able to prove anything, so, again, what I have heard is just speculation, and just talk. I have heard that he was connected with any number of people. Trying to prove that--telling us--but there is nothing concrete in terms of evidence to prove that he was connected with them in any way, so far as I know. Somebody may know something that I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know anything of your own knowledge that you think might bear light one way or the other? Mr. GRAVES. No, I don’t; again, like I say, I wish that there was something, but, of course, I am sure that everybody is like me and listen to everybody and everything and try to make sense out of this thing to the best of their ability by checking everything. Mr. GRIFFIN. I’m going to mark for identification here--we are going to call this, “Dallas, Tex., Detective Graves, March 24, 1904. Exhibit No. 5003.” And I’m going to mark these pages 5003-A and 5003-B and 5003-C. Now, these are copies of FBI reports which purport to be interviews that were had by the FBI agents, with you. Exhibit 5003-A is a report of an interview on November 24, taken by Special Agent Bookhout and Agent Rabidoux. Do you remember approximately when these gentlemen talked with you? Mr. GRAVES. To the best of my recollection, it was in the evening part of the day, but just exactly when, I don’t know.