Mr. GRAVES. Well, let’s see, we would have a thing to show the exact time that I signed him out. At somewhere shortly before 10 o’clock, which would be something over an hour, better part of 2 hours---- Mr. GRIFFIN. In this period from approximately 8 o’clock until shortly before 10, did you have any conversations about the movement of Lee Oswald from the city jail to the county jail? Mr. GRAVES. Well, the captain told us that he would be transferred in a car. Mr. GRIFFIN. Captain Fritz told you that? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; and at first he wanted to talk to him some more, so, we brought him down to the office so he could be interviewed. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Captain Fritz tell you what kind of a car he was going to be transferred in? Mr. GRAVES. Yes; we understood it was going to be a regular police car like we use, plain cars. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long before you got Oswald down did you get this information? Mr. GRAVES. Oh, it couldn’t have been but a few minutes, at least. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where were you told this? Mr. GRAVES. In the hallway, or office there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall now whether you were in that homicide office or in the hallway? Mr. GRAVES. I believe I was in the hallway when I heard it. Mr. GRIFFIN. How many other officers were standing around at that time? Mr. GRAVES. Oh, I don’t remember really. Probably two or three or four. Mr. GRIFFIN. How close was Captain Fritz to you when you heard this? Mr. GRAVES. As close as you and I are. Mr. GRIFFIN. We have a table separating us. Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. 6-foot, about a 6-foot table, isn’t it? Was he talking only to you, or talking to the other officers? Mr. GRAVES. Generally to all of us. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, at this time, were there newspaper people in the area? Mr. GRAVES. I don’t believe. At the moment, I don’t believe any newsmen were in there at the time. Mr. GRIFFIN. This is not in the hallway? Mr. GRAVES. No, I mean this little hallway in our bureau--comes from the front entrance. You know, you have been there. Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes, I have. Mr. GRAVES. See, there is a little hallway that comes around---- Mr. GRIFFIN. You are talking about the hallway that, as you open the door off the third floor hallway? Mr. GRAVES. No, I am talking about the hallway between the little office and captain’s office. Mr. GRIFFIN. For the record, about how far were you from the third floor hallway when this conversation took place? Mr. GRAVES. 25 feet, approximately. Mr. GRIFFIN. And do you remember the other officers who were standing around at the time? Mr. GRAVES. Well, Leavelle and Montgomery for sure. I don’t know who else right now. Beck--Dhority and Beck both could have been in there. I am not sure about that. Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did this conversation with Captain Fritz last?