My brother came to me one day in early December one year, “Hy.” “Yes.” “I would like to get a license for selling novelties on the street at 63d and Halstead.” You gentlemen must realize that 63d and Halstead is a business district where no such thing was ever before done because they have their own business association and no peddlers were allowed on the street, they have got their stores to worry about. So, I went up to this fellow, who I got to know very well, and he said, “What can I do for you, Hymie?” I said, “I have got to have a license for my kid brother.” “Sure, for Christmas?” “Yes.” “What is he going to sell?” “I don’t know. Probably toys or gimmicks or whatever he can put on a stand, you know, on the sidewalk and sell.” As long as he got a permit they can’t bother him. He says, “What corner do you like?” So, I gave him the corner of 63d and Halstead. You don’t know, I almost started a small war and they couldn’t do nothing to Jack because he had that permit. The business people came downtown and they raised particular hell with the guy in charge at the license department, and he couldn’t understand it. Then he calls me, I think I was working at the time for some department in the city. He said, “Do you realize what you done to me?” I said, “What did I do to you?” He says, “You almost got me fired.” It was really funny. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don’t know. I can’t remember but I will never forget that incident, and Jack felt like a hero. He has got a permit. They can’t do him nothing. The police even tried to chase him off. He says, “You can’t chase me off, here is my permit,” and the policeman told these people downtown at 63d and Halstead, he says, “The man has got a permit. What am I supposed to do, get myself in a jam?” But they finally had to get him off. They finally realized they made a mistake. Mr. GRIFFIN. This was in the Christmas season? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; during the Christmas holidays when everybody tries to make a buck for the holidays selling Christmas novelties or toys or gimmicks on the street, you know. It was terrific. I will never forget that. That is the kind of a guy Jack was. When he wanted a permit he used to get one. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall any other episodes of that nature? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. There could have been but this was the greatest. It is a wonder I didn’t get fired. I will never forget that. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you working for the Illinois Commerce Commission at that time? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I think I was at that time because that was the longest job I had with the city outside of being with the Board of Local Improvements for a couple of years. Mr. GRIFFIN. When was that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Before the Commerce Commission. Mr. GRIFFIN. You mention the period 1932 to 1941 as the Commerce Commission. Are you clear in your mind that that is when you did start there, in 1932? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. When Horner got in, I think it was 1932.