Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Who? Mr. GRIFFIN. Your father. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I told you there was only one member taken from a family. Mr. GRIFFIN. The reason I ask you is I believe that in one of the newspaper articles about Jack’s life that was serialized the story was told by the newspaper reporter that your father had joined the service with his two brothers and that your father and his two brothers married your mother and her two sisters. Do you ever recall a story like that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Never. I don’t even remember seeing the article. I don’t think it is true. Mr. GRIFFIN. I am going to ask questions about your mother’s family then. Did your mother talk about her family background? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Except her father was a very important man in the community. He was like a doctor. Mr. GRIFFIN. You say like a doctor? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don’t know. That is the expression they used at home. I don’t know. You know, you are going back 4 or 5 thousand miles, and that is the expression that was used. Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes; but I take it the words “like a doctor” were used which sort of indicated to you that maybe he wasn’t quite a doctor or something similar to it. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Like a pharmacist? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Could have been. I know he went out and took care of people and my mother was called in to take care of the family when somebody was sick. Mr. GRIFFIN. Your mother was? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Do you follow me? Mr. GRIFFIN. Yes. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. My mother went along as a servant to take care of the needs of the family that was sick. Her father took care of the family in a medical way. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. That is the impression that I always had from the stories we gathered at home. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did your mother spend her life around Warsaw, her early life? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I suppose, I don’t know. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall her talking about her life in Europe where she came from? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; I think Warsaw was her main life. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall how big her family was? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did she have any brothers or sisters who came to this country? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. One brother, Harry Rutland. He was, he worked for the Union Pacific for many, many years as a boilermaker. Mr. GRIFFIN. Was Rutland his name? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I think it used to be Rutkowsky and he changed it to Rutland, naturally. Mr. GRIFFIN. Where did he live? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Denver. Mr. GRIFFIN. Is he still living? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have some knowledge he is dead? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Oh, no; we know he is dead. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he have any family? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Four children, two boys and two girls. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Had your family maintained any contact with the Rutland family?