Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He was in the service; in fact I and my sister were born when he left Europe. Mr. GRIFFIN. You mean you were born after he left Europe? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No. Mr. GRIFFIN. You had been born when he left Europe? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. My sister and I. Mr. GRIFFIN. That is the oldest? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. That is the oldest sister. Mr. GRIFFIN. She is Ann Volpert? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Right. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know where you and your mother stayed when your father left? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Probably in Warsaw. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know any reason why you did not accompany him? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Well, the only reason I can give you is he had to get away first. He didn’t want the army to find him. Mr. GRIFFIN. He was really escaping from the army? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Right. He didn’t want any more of it. He had it. And I think there was a Japanese war going to break out there any day, and he didn’t want no part of that so he just broke away. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know if, did he ever mention whether religious problems were a reason, any factor in his leaving or do you have the impression it was strictly his dislike for the military service that caused him to leave? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Well, you know Jews in the Russian Army is a tough proposition, a very minority race and he probably didn’t like that, either. Mr. GRIFFIN. He never mentioned that to you? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No, he wouldn’t anyway. I don’t think he is the type of a man who would mention things like that. He always felt that he belonged. We, the Jewish problem was never really brought up. We felt like if you did you were a coward. The Jewish problem was always kept to ourselves. Even when I went to high school there wasn’t too many Jewish people there but we tried to belong. We tried to face it. Mr. GRIFFIN. And your father; I take it from what you say, was very much this kind of a man that he didn’t outwardly voice any feelings of sensitivity or separation because of the fact that he was Jewish in a---- Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I doubt it. I doubt if he would have said anything. No, not with him. But if you asked me that about somebody else in our family---- Mr. GRIFFIN. How about your mother? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No, no; I don’t think she--she just wanted to look out for my welfare. My mother was very much interested in the welfare, how we got along, how we got along at school and how our progress was going with us in Chicago. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, I take it from what you say also that if your father had any family back in Europe once he came to this country he didn’t maintain contact with them? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I don’t think he ever got one letter. I don’t remember ever hearing a word of his family in Europe; not one word. We would have known about it. If he heard anything about the family indirectly it was through somebody else. Somebody else from his home town might have gotten a letter and mentioned the fact that so and so---- Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he go into the service with any of his brothers?