Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Other people told me. They said, “Your brother is terrific. He just goes in there and breaks up the joint.” He just couldn’t tolerate those guys. Nobody would dare mention the word “Jew” in a derogatory form to him because he would be knocked flat in 2 minutes. That is the kind of a guy he was, hasty, quick, and he was agile, he is built good, he never drank or smoked, and he took care of himself. And I admire him for it and I love him for it. Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he ever put this strength and physical ability to use in any sort of a job? For example, did he ever act as a bouncer any place? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He never liked to show off. He is not that kind of a loud mouth braggadocio, he never went in for that stuff. He hung around Barney Ross all his life. He liked Barney Ross. Everybody liked Barney Ross. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you one of Barney Ross’ followers? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Naturally when you live on the west side you have got to be a follower. Mr. GRIFFIN. I mean did you hang around him? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No; he was Jack’s age. I knew Barney through Jack, you know, met him. Mr. GRIFFIN. I take it you were not in a position to know Jack’s friends when Jack was a child. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. His friends were the fellows who loved life and go out and have a good time. His business associates were fellows who were hustlers and like to make money. So you put two and two together. You find good business associates who are hustlers, and you had to be, without much education, go out and make money, and in the evening you go out and you find the friends you like to spend it with. He never hung around with no hoodlums. We knew hoodlums, sure. If they come into a restaurant where you are, next to them you are sitting, “Hello, Hy,” “Hello, Joe.” What do you do, ignore them? You have known them all your life, you don’t ignore them. Mr. GRIFFIN. Kids from the neighborhood? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Kids from the neighborhood. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you have any people in mind? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Wherever you lived on the west side there was a hoodlum or became a hoodlum who you went to school with, or you belonged to some club with, or maybe--let me give you another example or you played ball with them. You never knew. You never knew. They surprised you. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who were Jack’s closest friends before he went to Dallas? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He was very popular, he had a lot of friends. Mr. GRIFFIN. Who were the people he was closest to? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. What age? Mr. GRIFFIN. Let’s take it after he got out of high school. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Harry Epstein was one, a business promoter. Sam Gordon on the west coast now, very wealthy man, a business promoter. Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Ira Kolitz? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He knew Ira from the Lawndale; he knew Ira. Mr. GRIFFIN. But they weren’t close?