Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He was going--he used to come down later. Jack did not come down early. A manager has got to be there from 4:30 until closing. Jack used to come down around, I understand, nine or ten o’clock in the evening. Probably he belonged to a couple of the clubs there, I understand he was a member of the YMCA and the Dallas Athletic Club I think he was a member of--maybe even had a girl friend or two, I don’t know. Anyway, he asked me to come down and be the manager. I could not see working in a place 7 days a week, I couldn’t stand the noise in the striptease joints, those brassy bands, you know. I know right away that was out. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were you having trouble at that time making a living? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. No; I had a good job. I was making good money. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, this is in 1963, this was after you left the Lewis Ribbon Co. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; I had a lot of money outstanding on the road from merchandise I had sold to my customers and that was more important to me than taking any kind of a job. Mr. GRIFFIN. This wasn’t going to help you out? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He thought--he didn’t know what my position was. Mr. GRIFFIN. But you told him, did you tell him, that you really didn’t need it? That you were doing all right? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes; I told him, I didn’t want no 7-day a week proposition right off the bat, that was No. 1. No. 2, I was a little bit too old for that kind of a deal. You get to be a certain age you don’t want that noise all night long and you realize it, you don’t have to be there but you can realize it, you can visualize the job. I didn’t want it. All of a sudden he sends me up, do you know what a twistboard is? I should have brought one with me. Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us what it is. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. I showed it to the FBI. Somebody in Dallas invented a twistboard. It is a square board, two boards, one on top of the other with a ball bearing that separates it in the center. Mr. GRIFFIN. So that one piece of wood rests on the floor and the other would swivel around on the top of it? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. And you stand on this and you can twist. Mr. GRIFFIN. Indicating you stand on the board and twist your body around. Mr. RUBENSTEIN. “$1.69 retail, hottest thing in the world. Go out and sell it.” I still have it home with the original wrapper and all. Mr. GRIFFIN. This is what Jack told you? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. He told me and he also made me a sample. Mr. GRIFFIN. How many did he mail you? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Just one. He mailed Earl one, anybody in Chicago he thought he could contact for promotion he mailed one, because he had the distributorship. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember any---- Mr. RUBENSTEIN. That is the kind of a guy Jack is. He gets a hot item, boom, he wants to go out and sell it, promote it, that is his life. You can never take that out of a person. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember some of these other things that he did like that? Mr. RUBENSTEIN. Yes. Mr. GRIFFIN. Tell us about it.