The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 06 (of 11) — Thomas Hobbes — John Shaqi
The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 06 (of 11)
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_B._ But what are the points they disagree in? Is there any controversy
between Bishop and Presbyterian concerning the divinity or humanity of
Christ? Do either of them deny the Trinity, or any article of the creed?
Does either party preach openly, or write directly, against justice,
charity, sobriety, or any other duty necessary to salvation, except only
the duty to the King; and not that neither, but when they have a mind
either to rule or destroy the King? Lord have mercy upon us! Can nobody
be saved that understands not their disputations? Or is there more
requisite, either of faith or honesty, for the salvation of one man than
another? What needs so much preaching of faith to us that are no
heathens, and that believe already all that Christ and his apostles have
told us is necessary to salvation, and more too? Why is there so little
preaching of justice? I have indeed heard righteousness often
recommended to the people, but I have seldom heard the word justice in
their sermons; nay, though in the Latin and Greek Bible the word justice
occur exceeding often, yet in the English, though it be a word that
every man understands, the word righteousness (which few understand to
signify the same, but take it rather for rightness of opinion, than of
action or intention), is put in the place of it.
_A._ I confess I know very few controversies amongst Christians, of
points necessary to salvation. They are the questions of authority and
power over the Church, or of profit, or of honour to Churchmen, that for
the most part raise all the controversies. For what man is he, that will
trouble himself and fall out with his neighbours for the saving of my
soul, or the soul of any other than himself? When the Presbyterian
ministers and others did so seriously preach sedition, and animate men
to rebellion in these late wars; who was there that had not a benefice,
or having one feared not to lose it, or some other part of his
maintainance, by the alteration of the Government, that did voluntary,
without any eye to reward, preach so earnestly against sedition, as the
other party preached for it? I confess, that for aught I have observed
in history, and other writings of the heathens, Greek and Latin, that
those heathens were not at all behind us in point of virtue and moral
duties, notwithstanding that we have had much preaching, and they none
at all. I confess also, that considering what harm may proceed from a
liberty that men have, upon every Sunday and oftener, to harangue all
the people of a nation at one time, whilst the state is ignorant of what
they will say; and that there is no such thing permitted in all the
world out of Christendom, nor therefore any civil wars about religion; I
have thought much preaching an inconvenience. Nevertheless, I cannot
think that preaching to the people the points of their duty, both to God
and man, can be too frequent; so it be done by grave, discreet, and
ancient men, that are reverenced by the people; and not by light