The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 06 (of 11) — Thomas Hobbes — John Shaqi
The English works of Thomas Hobbes of Malmesbury, Volume 06 (of 11)
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_P._ The statute also says, that they who draw men out of the realm in
plea, whereof the cognizance pertaineth to the King’s court, or of
things whereof judgment is given in the King’s court, are within the
cases of præmunire. But what if one man draw another to Lambeth in plea,
whereof judgment is already given at Westminster. Is he by this clause
involved in a præmunire?
_L._ Yes. For though it be not out of the realm, yet it is within the
meaning of the statute; because the Pope’s court, not the King’s court,
was then perhaps at Lambeth.
_P._ But in Sir Edward Coke’s time the King’s court was at Lambeth, and
not the Pope’s.
_L._ You know well enough that the spiritual Court has no power to hold
pleas of common-law.
_P._ I do so; but I know not for what cause any simple man, that
mistakes his right court, should be out of the King’s protection, lose
his inheritance and all his goods, personal and real, and if taken, be
kept in prison all his life. This statute cannot be by Sir Edward Coke’s
torture made to say it. Besides, such men are ignorant in what courts
they are to seek their remedy; and it is a custom confirmed by perpetual
usage, that such ignorant men should be guided by their counsel at law.
It is manifest, therefore, that the makers of the statute intended not
to prohibit men from suing for their right, neither in the Chancery, nor
in the Admiralty, nor in any other court, except the Ecclesiastical
courts, which had their jurisdiction from the Church of Rome. Again,
where the statute says, “which do sue in any other court, or defeat a
judgment in the King’s court”: what is the meaning of another court?
Another court than what? Is it here meant the King’s Bench, or Court of
Common Pleas? Does a præmunire lie for every man that sues in Chancery
for that which might be remedied in the Court of Common Pleas? Or can a
præmunire lie by this statute against the Lord Chancellor? The statute
lays it only on the party that sueth, not upon the judge which holdeth
the plea. Nor could it be laid, either by this statute or by the statute
of 16 _Rich. II_, upon the judges, which were then punishable only by
the Pope’s authority. Seeing then the party suing has a just excuse upon
the counsel of his lawyer, and the temporal judge and the lawyer both
are out of the statute, the punishment of the præmunire can light upon
nobody.
_L._ But Sir Edward Coke in this same chapter bringeth two precedents to
prove, that though the spiritual courts in England be now the King’s
courts, yet whosoever sueth in them for any thing triable by the
common-law, shall fall into a præmunire. One is, that whereas in the
twenty-second year of _Hen. VIII_ all the clergy of England in a
convocation by public instrument acknowledged the King to be supreme
head of the Church of England; yet after this, viz. 24 _Hen. VIII_, this
statute was in force.