Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 3 — Plato — John Shaqi
Plato and the Other Companions of Sokrates, 3rd ed. Volume 3
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Neither written words, nor continuous speech, will produce any
serious effect in teaching. Dialectic and cross-examination are
necessary 34
The Dialectician and Cross-Examiner is the only man who can really
teach. If the writer can do this, he is more than a writer 37
Lysias is only a logographer: Isokrates promises to become a
philosopher 38
Date of the Phædrus--not an early dialogue _ib._
Criticism given by Plato on the three discourses--His theory of
Rhetoric is more Platonic than Sokratic _ib._
His theory postulates, in the Rhetor, knowledge already assured--it
assumes that all the doubts have been already removed 39
The Expositor, with knowledge and logical process, teaches minds
unoccupied and willing to learn _ib._
The Rhetor does not teach, but persuades persons with minds
pre-occupied--guiding them methodically from error to truth 40
He must then classify the minds to be persuaded, and the means of
persuasion or varieties of discourse. He must know how to fit on
the one to the other in each particular case 41
Plato's _Idéal_ of the Rhetorical Art--involves in part
incompatible conditions--the Wise man or philosopher will never be
listened to by the public _ib._
The other part of the Platonic _Idéal_ is grand but
unattainable--breadth of psychological data and classified
modes of discourse 42
Plato's ideal grandeur compared with the rhetorical
teachers--Usefulness of these teachers for the wants of an
accomplished man 44
The Rhetorical teachers conceived the Art too narrowly: Plato
conceived it too widely. The principles of an Art are not required
to be explained to all learners 45
Plato includes in his conception of Art, the application thereof
to new particular cases. This can never be taught by rule 46
Plato's charge against the Rhetorical teachers is not made out
47
Plato has not treated Lysias fairly, in neglecting his greater
works, and selecting for criticism an erotic exercise for a
private circle 47
No fair comparison can be taken between this exercise of Lysias
and the discourses delivered by Sokrates in the Phædrus 48
Continuous discourse, either written or spoken, inefficacious as a
means of instruction to the ignorant 49
Written matter is useful as a memorandum for persons who know--or
as an elegant pastime 50
Plato's didactic theories are pitched too high to be realised 51
No one has ever been found competent to solve the difficulties
raised by Sokrates, Arkesilaus, Karneades, and the negative vein
of philosophy _ib._
Plato's _idéal_ philosopher can only be realised under the
hypothesis of a pre-existent and omniscient soul, stimulated into
full reminiscence here 52
Different proceeding of Plato in the Timæus 53
Opposite tendencies co-existent in Plato's mind--Extreme of the
Transcendental or Absolute--Extreme of specialising adaptation to
individuals and occasions 54
CHAPTER XXVII.
PARMENIDES.