[Sidenote: The wisest men in Hellas could not have been out of their minds? No:—the people who gave their money to them were out of their minds.] _Any._ Out of their minds! No, Socrates; the young men who gave their money to them were out of their minds, and their relations and guardians who entrusted their youth to the care of these men were still more out of their minds, and most of all, the cities who allowed them to come in, and did not drive them out, citizen and stranger alike. _Soc._ Has any of the Sophists wronged you, Anytus? What makes you so angry with them? _Any._ No, indeed, neither I nor any of my belongings has ever had, nor would I suffer them to have, anything to do with them. _Soc._ Then you are entirely unacquainted with them? _Any._ And I have no wish to be acquainted. [Sidenote: How can Anytus know that they are bad, if he does not know them at all?] _Soc._ Then, my dear friend, how can you know whether a thing is good or bad of which you are wholly ignorant? _Any._ Quite well; I am sure that I know what manner of men these are, whether I am acquainted with them or not. [Sidenote: Then who will teach Meno virtue?] _Soc._ You must be a diviner, Anytus, for I really cannot make out, judging from your own words, how, if you are not acquainted with them, you know about them. But I am not enquiring of you who are the teachers who will corrupt Meno (let them be, if you please, the Sophists); I only ask you to tell him who there is in this great city who will teach him how to become eminent in the virtues which I was just now describing. He is the friend of your family, and you will oblige him. _Any._ Why do you not tell him yourself? _Soc._ I have told him whom I supposed to be the teachers of these things; but I learn from you that I am utterly at fault, and I dare say that you are right. And now I wish that you, on your part, would tell me to whom among the Athenians he should go. Whom would you name? [Sidenote: _The lesson taught by the example of Themistocles._] [Sidenote: Any Athenian gentleman who has learned of a previous generation of gentlemen.] _Any._ Why single out individuals? Any Athenian gentleman, taken at random, if he will mind him, will do far more good to him than the Sophists. _Soc._ And did those gentlemen grow of themselves; and without having been taught by any one, were they nevertheless able to teach others that which they had never learned 93 themselves? _Any._ I imagine that they learned of the previous generation of gentlemen. Have there not been many good men in this city?