Mr. BALL. And tell me briefly who was present when you saw McDonald make the mark on the gun? Mr. CARROLL. Well, let's see--there was myself, Mack, I think Ray Hawkins was there, and I believe Hutson was there, and I believe Bentley and Lyons had already gone out to have their feet checked, and I don't recall whether Captain Westbrook was in there at the time or not. There were so many people--I would have to kind of explain that--I know it sounds vague, but there were so many people in and out of there and there were about no less than anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen newspaper reporters in and out and they were bringing in mikes and it was just a big mess of confusion. You couldn't just sit down and detail this thing and say this man was at this particular spot at this time. It was so jumbled up there. Mr. BALL. Whom did you give the gun to finally? Mr. CARROLL. After I gave it to--Jerry Hill--that was the last time I had possession of it--possession of the gun. Mr. BALL. And did you know who took possession of the bullets? Mr. CARROLL. I don't recall, sir. I don't recall even seeing the gun or the bullets turned over to anyone by Hill. Mr. BALL. But you know in the personnel department after you had delivered Oswald to the homicide squadron, you saw the gun and six bullets? Mr. CARROLL. Yes sir. Mr. BALL. With this group of officers? Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And you examined them? Mr. CARROLL. Yes. Mr. BALL. I think that's all. Mr. Carroll, this will be written up by the shorthand reporter and you have the privilege of looking it over and making any corrections and signing it, if you wish, or you can waive signature and we will send it on to the Commission. Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir; all right, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you want to waive signature? Mr. CARROLL. No, sir; I will sign it. Mr. BALL. All right, then, if you want to sign it, we'll get in touch with you and tell you what time it will be ready and you can come down and look it over. Mr. CARROLL. All right. Mr. BALL. All right, fine. Thank you very much for coming in. Mr. CARROLL. All right, thank you. TESTIMONY OF BOB K. CARROLL RESUMED The testimony of Bob K. Carroll was taken at 10 30 a.m., on April 9, 1984, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BELIN. Will you rise and be sworn, please. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. CARROLL. I do, sir. Mr. BELIN. Your name is? Mr. CARROLL. Bob K. Carroll. Mr. BELIN. You previously had your deposition taken here in Dallas by the President's Commission on the Assassination of President Kennedy, have you not? Mr. CARROLL. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Did Mr. Ball take that? Mr. CARROLL. It was Mr. Ball; yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. About what day was that?