Chief BATCHELOR. I don't know. Altogether there must have been, gee, we had around 70 policemen in that basement altogether, and there must have been 60 or 70 reporters and photographers and press people. They were fairly deep across here. But this is wider and they were two or three deep across there. Mr. GRIFFIN. You want to mark in there where you have indicated? Chief BATCHELOR. [Marks chart.] Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you say that they were deeper across the entrance to the garage than they were blocking the Main Street ramp, or were they about the same? Chief BATCHELOR. I wasn't paying too close attention to how deep they were. There was more than one line of them. Mr. GRIFFIN. There was? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; they were two to three deep across here [marking]. Mr. GRIFFIN. Were there police officers in there also? Chief BATCHELOR. Yes; there was police officers intermingling all along here. Mr. GRIFFIN. Had you given any instructions to the police officers up to this point as to how they should stand in relationship, where they should be facing? Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now after talking with Chief Stevenson, what next happened? Chief BATCHELOR. Almost immediately the car containing Lieutenant Pierce and I believe Sergeant Maxey pulled out of here, and these people had to step back, and they pulled out, and the detective cars were pulled here in on the ramp and backed into position. Mr. GRIFFIN. Chief, at this point, just before Oswald was brought down, were there any automobiles in the portion of the garage which would be the north half of the garage, do you recall? Chief BATCHELOR. As I recall it, there were one or two vehicles parked back in here, police vehicles. Mr. GRIFFIN. I see. Were there any police vehicles, and if you don't have any recollection, state that. Do you recall if there were any police vehicles along the railing of the Main Street ramp? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. If there were, they were back from this entrance. There weren't any in the immediate entrance to the jail door. Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall if there were any people other than the people manning these TV cameras, behind the railing? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall that. I don't think there were, because these people here went up to just about where the cameras were. This curved a little bit around here. It wasn't just a straight line. It would curve a little bit like this, then, but they were standing away from the front of those cameras, because those cameras were on a tripod at a level on the floor, which was lower than this ramp level. Mr. GRIFFIN. Now, as Pierce and Maxey's car went up the ramp, did you watch it go up the ramp? Chief BATCHELOR. No, sir. Mr. GRIFFIN. What did you do as it went up the ramp? Chief BATCHELOR. I don't recall. I was up here. I was more concerned with this truck here and getting this truck out of there when this thing started.